0x44b1b486ce8d9c82f605626347a7b1f74add11de (Q505)
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I have the same issue here as I do with the previous iteration of this proposal, which is that I dont believe the product in its current form has enough traction to be worth continuing investing in for the DAO.
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Reading through the votes, it appears there are some issues with the contract/audit. Insofar as that is true Im not sure if it makes sense to retrofund the audit. But, I do like the work thats been done and think it makes sense for Nouns to fund in a future proposal.
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Weve funded a lot of IRL activations at conferences and NFT events, and Im not yet convinced weve seen evidence that its been a productive form of outreach and engagement with the broader Ethereum community. Im probably for pausing new instances of those types of experiences until we see evidence suggesting otherwise.
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Im mostly just not excited enough by the designs here to warrant funding. Its also not clear to me why this needs to be something that leverages Nouns funding as a business model in the first place.
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Mostly I just have trouble seeing this prop be successful in terms of impact/proliferation relative to the ask - the plans for distribution also seem more speculative than ironed out ahead of time, which is fine in some scenarios but not if one is requesting over $1M imo. Would be curious to see how we can reduce scope and funding size to something that might make more sense for the DAO in terms of r/r.
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Im not completely against the idea of the DAO funding community contributors, but I dont like the idea of the DAO funding one exclusive community contributor/Discord and thus making that the official one again. If the DAO is going to fund community residents, there should be a host of them offering different solutions/roles imo.
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It is not clear to me what the end deliverables of this proposal are - it seems like wed be paying someone to leverage their network and experience to hopefully create events/activations/media down the line? Im not comfortable paying someone six figures to do that, esp. someone who is new to Nouns contribution; Im not inherently against the idea of open-ended residencies, but were not ready for it at this scale. Thats the role of a program like Explorer Grants.
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I think I mostly agree with everyone elses concerns about the DAO officially blessing this tool with a custom ENS. Similar to Gamis points, I would vote yes for something more specified, like prop-268-autobidder.eth or something along those lines.
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Tools like this are important but Id personally need to see more evidence of PMF, or plans for how the tool is going to be marketed, before feeling comfortable funding at the requested amount. The current metrics on site views from the first version dont warrant this scale of follow-on funding (though I appreciate the teams transparency in providing that data for this proposal.
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Primary concern here is I dont see a reason why this should be a Nouns droposal and not a Gnars droposal. But, even if there is a justifiable reason for it to be a Nouns droposal that Im just not seeing, 10% to me seems like too low of a percentage of funds to flow back to Nouns (I know theres not a lot of clarity/consensus on what makes sense here for droposals, but thats just my personal opinion).
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Mostly agree with Wilson and Noun 40s reasoning - dont like the precedent of setting an auction floor for Nouns, and its not yet clear to me why this option is needed right now. I do however think people should be proposing alternative solutions to problems the DAO faces and just because Verbs is working on e.g. Airdrop doesnt mean others shouldnt propose their own solutions. But this specific prop doesnt do it for me.
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I disagree with the sentiment that wet wipes/this product arent Nounish, IMO one of the coolest things about Nouns is that we can have people building in totally different segments - like funding an E-sports team one day, and a wet wipes product the next. The idea is fun and cool and dont have any problems with it. That being said, Im not sure that at this stage its ready for a full onchain funding. It feels like the marketing/distribution strategy needs to be a bit more fleshed out beyond just give these away at crypto events. This is the sort of proposal Id love to see do a trial run via Prop House at smaller scale, and then if we think the experiment is worth continuing, we could continue with more funding.
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I dont think Times Square billboards are useful marketing spend, nor are they nounish per se. Its possible they may also be less useful during NFT NYC when they exist alongside a bunch of other NFT stuff that to non-crypto people are all kinda the same thing and dont garner unique attention. Love what Danit has done so far and eager to continue supporting, but not sure this specific prop makes sense for me.
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Dont think this is necessary/mostly agree with Drews takes on Hell yes voting. More shots at a possibly lower hit rate is probably better for the DAOs current state than the inverse (which this prop is aiming to achieve). The Hell Yes ideology makes sense for individuals, for whom time is a scarce resource that moves one-dimensionally. Time is not right now a scarce resource for the DAO, because we have the advantage of accessing the concurrent time of everyone who is currently working on/building for Nouns (so time moves two-dimensionally for NounsDAO). I hope that makes sense lol
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Two concerns here: 1. Not clear where the funding from the droposal is going to (my assumption is it is going 100% to the forgeries team, but that is not specified here). If thats the case, I dont see a clear value flow back to Nouns here, implicitly or explicitly - other than just the artwork being a Noun. 2. The mechanic, while conceptually interesting, does unfortunately feel a bit like selling lottery tickets. I dont personally think thats aligned with our values/something we should endorse via droposal.
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Its not clear to me that $200K is justified here, and dont have a strong idea of how much the auctions will go for in terms of ETH returned to the treasury. Also dont know how much value is driven back to Nouns in terms of meme/brand awareness - you cant really tell its Nouns related from the jewelry, so the proliferation would be entirely dependent on the events leading up to the auction, which to me arent enough to justify the cost.
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I like the idea in theory but given that its already been used extensively in Lil Nouns, Id need some sort of evidence that the model worked there before trying it out in Nouns. Weve seen in the past that its hard to get sufficient Nouner participation on pre-onchain initiatives, so Id want to know how this is different before voting yes.
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I dont know if Nouners are actually going to use this, I think the current mediums of Discord and Twitter are likely enough for folks who want to meet up together to do so.
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Im not convinced that this is solving a core need for Nouners at the moment - I would guess that folks dont want to use yet another communication channel, and dont really have trouble communicating privately and securely with others already. I do think the tech is cool, but not sure its a fit for the DAO at this time.
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To be candid I couldnt figure out what this proposal was aiming to build - while Im a fan of nounish charitable efforts, for me I wasnt sure what Nouns Love *was* after reading this proposal - especially given the high amount of folks working on this for many months outlined in the proposal. So I was not ready to vote yes here.
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I am voting NO on this proposal. Although it certainly seems like a great tool with cool features, I am not sure it can achieve unique outcomes from existing funding models. Given that funding is already split via Prop House, on-chain, and then other centralized funding models like NSFW/DCS/Explorer Grants, I think were possibly entering a diminishing returns era with new funding infrastructure. New funding models need to make a strong case for why their specific system is really needed. While I admire the product, I dont see that case in this proposal.
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I love the idea, and think these animations should definitely exist for anyone to use for their own art and media. However, at this time, 55E for 10 weeks is unfortunately too steep for me to say yes. Thats annualized to about a $330k/year rate which feels too high for this project. Id encourage the team to re-propose with a smaller ask, after which I would hope to be able to vote Yes.
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See thoughts here: https://twitter.com/onnnnnnnion/status/1594694957734019074?s=20&t=CfVYj2Z2cP2yysUUNgtmIA
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reVoteWithReason from krel.eth > I would love to support a game-related proposal but this approach does not work for me. I dont quite know what an exciting gaming prop looks like, but i think the guiding star should be to go narrow and focus on quality, not broad/quantity. Forget about distribution or proliferation for a moment and just make an incredible (indie) game. (Something Fez-like comes to mind as directionally interesting.) *sent from voter.wtf*
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Just not feeling particularly excited about this one, and not sure that the scaling in funding and operations is justified - would want to see better results at smaller scale before going up to ~50 ETH. *sent from voter.wtf*
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My default position on IRL conference events is that Im not really convinced that they are creating value for the DAO when heavily funded in ways like this- thats not a hard stance by any means, but this prop doesnt sway me in the other direction. I think our IRL presence is best when its organic and grassroots, or large and unique like the Rose Parade.
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Ive said before that I think our IRl initiatives should be more grassroots/bottoms-up, and I think this fits the bill.
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Love it! Running is a great way to build and strengthen local communities, and I love what Nouns RC has managed to do already in cities around the world in such little time. The ask is also very reasonable.
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Refund makes voting very accessible for low cost to the DAO. I think the governance landscape would look a lot different if users had to actually pay $10 for each vote.
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Its a big ask but I do believe the Nounish team are extremely talented and not to mention very passionate about Nouns. They should be given more room to experiment with different types of content, different strategies for distribution, et cetera. We are very fortunate to have that team contributing to Nouns and I strongly believe for the time being, we should continue to fund them.
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Great video showcasing the variety of things Nouns has funded, and purely positive/no cost for the DAO. Easy yes.
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I like it! I appreciate that they earnestly iterated on the feedback from the first proposal and came back with a better product and more thorough plans for distribution and marketing. Its the perfect amount of fun and weirdness for a Nouns prop at a reasonable ask.
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Agree with Jihad that its not really an endorsement imo - were just vibing and naming a Noun at no cost to the treasury. I think an endorsement would be something like: - mint an OE as a droposal with funds going to NFTR - actually fund NFTR
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Seems like the exact type of exciting public and open-source project that Nouns should fund. I empathize with the concerns that it will be extremely hard for this phone to get adoption and compete with incumbents, but I dont think that should stop Nouns from trying to fund it if it is aligned with our mission and the world we want to build together.
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Love it! We dont experiment enough with hardware tech, and I think this is a fun idea worth exploring (with the added bonus of bringing revenue back to the DAO as well).
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I like this; its certainly hard to get a game right, but Arash and co are experienced and successful game developers, and Im a fan of the media theyve created so far for Nouns. If successful I think this prop could be a really big win!
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I love the idea of Nouns creative presence expanding into literature and novels. The closest thing weve done to this is a comic book, but I think theres a lot to explore with purely written literature. Its a great way to energize young folks about Nouns, and as a previously published author I have confidence in Tashas ability to execute on an idea like this over the long term.
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I’m still not a massive fan of NFTs but the fact that Nouns are using them to fulfill projects with transparent governance instead of just running inside trading and pump-and-dump schemes is a nice change of pace. I saw this tweet today re: Nouns E-sports and it to me is a pretty compelling argument for voting yes. The E-sports pod has successfully expanded Nouns into a totally new, unrelated to crypto, scene, and done a great job of sharing with those people what crypto has to offer beyond just speculation. Weve seen enough so far to justify continuing to fund this experiment - though, would certain love to see the group showcase alternative funding models and a path towards self-sustaining outside of onchain proposals.
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Clear yes to me - love props that bring unique and talented creatives into Nouns, and this one fits that bill perfectly, following a very successful recent Prop House round. The team is also asking for a very reasonable amount, which makes it a much easier yes on top.
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Very strong yes from me. Not only are the folks are Poolsuite excellent, but I see this as a great opportunity for Nouns to be a leader in building public infrastructure for all of web3. Nouns Wallet Service can accompany tools like Prop House, Agora, and House of Nouns as software that any community can use to serve its own needs. The only question Id have is what the plans are after the 1y of Poolsuite development/maintenance is up, and who would take that over per se. Im confident that can be figured out though when the time comes.
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I got hungry just reading this proposal. Love the idea, and it seems to be an already successful business that has a lot of strong traction. Makes a lot of sense to me to try the experiment and see if a Nouns franchise model could make sense, which I have a hunch that it would. Not to mention the team seem to be operationally excellent and have a lot of experience in this field already.
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Love this idea - I think events like these are great for concentrating collective energy around Nouns into singular moments, which can drive a lot of creativity and innovation. It also has the opportunity to attract a lot of new developers and creatives into the community.
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I wasnt in Paris but from what I saw and heard about Danits work/show, it was phenomenal and brought a lot of great attention to the DAO. Re-enabling that experience at NFT NYC seems like a no brainer, and it costs the equivalent of 1 auctions proceeds basically. Easy yes for me.
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Big fan of the world Personae Labs is doing, pseudonymous and anonymous conversation is critical for enabling transparent conversations around the DAO, even if it isnt always pretty. This work pushes all of Ethereum forward, not just Nouns - Im sure this infrastructure can and will be adopted by other communities as well.
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Clear yes to me - Atrium are great builders and creatives, and their recent short film was definitely a success. Seems obvious to me that we should continue funding them to make great Nounish content, and I think the long-term result of one Nounish movie is great to work towards.
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House of Nouns is building a great public for the ecosystem, to be used by Nouns and other DAOs down the future. The ask is at a reasonable cost, and Im confident in their ability to deliver on what theyve proposed.
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Initially was against this, but decided to vote Yes because ultimately its important to send the message that ideas and small tasks are still valuable to the DAO. I think 0.1-0.5 ETH is probably a better range, but I doubt its going to get reproposed after the other proposal so will still vote yes here.
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I love this! Im a big fan of creative tools and assets that other people can use and build on top of, and this easily fits the bill for that. The ask is also reasonable for what the proposers are providing, so Im confident in this proposal being a good decision for the DAO.
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With more and more proposals being active, and more public conversation around proposals, more time is needed for folks to arrive at opinions on them. Clear yes.
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I voted YES for this proposal. I struggled initially with the high ask, but ultimately figured this sort of activation would be great for spreading Nouns to new communities. The media and content parters outlined in the proposal have a lot of reach, and the actual act of restoring the court itself seems very aligned with Nouns public good values. Victor Solomon has already proven to be a great creative as well, having designed the NBA trophies!
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These are incredibly important people to the DAO and work on significant protocol upgrades, from gas efficiency to core DAO behavior like governance and treasury spending. I also think the compensation is fair for this type of role and the quality of engineers the Verbs team (and Solimander) are.
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I voted YES on this proposal. I think its a great video, a great experiment in cool things the DAO can do with trustless composability, and also a great way to bring more people into the Nouns ecosystem by way of collecting this open edition. Not to mention the DAO could and should experiment with alternative and additional revenue streams to just the token auctions.
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I sat with this for some time, given its huge financial ask. Im a fan of proposals that clearly outline how they want to spend their money, and this one quite frankly did none of that. However, I ultimately came to the conclusion that when funding a subcommunity or DAO, we actually dont necessarily need an understanding of the budget. The question, rather, is whether we trust that DAO to be valuable stewards of that money. I see these types of proposals as cultural venture investments, similar to our @nounsbuilder funding. Just as a VC does not review all the expenses of their portfolio companies, Im not sure we need to know how exactly a subDAO is going to spend the money we give them. Rather, we just need to know whether a) we trust that the subDAO will steward those funds in a way that is positive for Nouns DAO, and b) if the cumulative ask is an amount of our treasury we are comfortable locking up until we see the cultural ROI from that spending. The bar is super high for both a) and b), but this proposal meets both of them for me, so I decided to vote yes.
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Wilsons efforts with voter.wtf are directly responsibly for increasing the culture around voting with reason in Nouns, and leveraging those reasons as the onchain source of truth around how the community views a given proposal. The only reason I would vote no is so he could put up a new prop asking for even more ETH *sent from voter.wtf*
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I agree with the concerns around funding at this level not being necessary, since the videos seem to be doing well already. I do also think we should be a bit more intentional about the kind of kids content that we fund. *sent from voter.wtf*
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I like it, have always been a fan of our IRL events being grassroots/bottom-up in ways similar to this. I dont think its too expensive either, both in and of itself as well as relative to the events weve funded in the past. My only request would be to allow for a little more time before starting the PH round as well as the duration of the PH round. *sent from voter.wtf*
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I agree with the sentiment that Nouns should continuously be signaling our alignment with Ethereum core values; this is a great way to do so. This will benefit the DAO and community over time in ways we might not perceive yet.
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I think the experiment is worth continuing on a larger scale. Financially, the added utility of Nouns may increase auction prices, which is revenue that goes to the DAO and helps subsidize the cost of the prop. More interestingly, though, I think its a unique opportunity to proliferate Nouns further in the physical art space, which is largely underexplored at the moment.
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I think a Nouns font makes sense to have across the ecosystem, and it will be great to see it built and iterated on in the open. Marco is a talented designer whos already working on initiatives to proliferate the font itself (i.e. working with Google Fonts, creating the Nouns font hats, etc.). I support the project and believe Marco is a great person for the job.
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This seems like a clear yes to me; a nounish block explorer is an interesting idea that could prove to be very valuable for the DAO if successful. Martin is also a proven builder in Nouns and the ask is reasonable enough that its worth it for the DAO to fund the experiment *sent from voter.wtf*
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I think the ask is just too high for an unclear scope of work and not enough information around current or projected usage. May support a smaller/clearly defined scope proposal. *sent from voter.wtf*
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Voting yes because, on principle, the DAO should follow through on its offchain commitments that it makes to contributors who fulfill the conditions for those commitments. And I think the actual sculpture that Dustin Yellin made was fantastic and he deserves to be compensated accordingly! *sent from voter.wtf*
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Video is a banger and shows how Nouns can improve communities on the ground through clear organizing and contribution efforts. Mucho Loves work helps reinforce Nouns values in the communities they engage in, and quite literally makes the world a better place at the grassroots level. Yes from Onion.
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There is some interesting discourse around this prop. Generally I think Nouns stands to gain a lot by collaborating and connecting with active and likeminded participants of other crypto communities. Theres a lot of positive energy around what Luca has built with Pudgy Penguins, and while Im certainly critical of the actual pfp utility model, I think that this synergy with that community can activate a lot of people in the NFT community. So I like that. 10 ETH is not much cost to the DAO, but yields an alignment with an active and positive community that seems to genuinely be nounpilled.
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Using voter.wtf client! I like the autofill for *sent from voter.wtf*, probably wouldnt remember/take the time to do it otherwise. On principle I probably would want to see the designs here before voting yes, so going to abstain on this one. *sent from voter.wtf*
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Feel like I dont really know enough to make an informed decision here *sent from voter.wtf*
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