Proposal 244 (Q108)
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A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
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| English | Proposal 244 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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Prop Lot: Where Ideas Find People
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28 February 2023
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Whatever has been learned about how this is useful to Lil Nouns should be expanded on here.
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Ive used Prop Lot at Lil Nouns where I thought it was a useful tool to provide heat checks on ideas that the membership wanted to pursue. I believe in this team, who can clearly execute and in adding additional tools to the DAO toolkit.
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I support funding open infrastructure to solve DAO problems. This piece of software has also been successfully piloted via Lil Nouns.
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After talking to the proposer I was made awere that this has been a successful use case on Lil Nouns and also recieved some more information on the team. While I still stand by my original comments on my newsletter, with the new information I will be switching my for to a yes as I believe this could potentially prove useful for the DAO. https://cbites.substack.com/p/active-governance-noun-582-3
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We are voting YES on this because Prop Lot has achieved success within Lil Nouns and unlocks new behaviors around coordination for Nouns (specifically around signaling interest in ideas). The ask is extremely reasonable for an MVP and were eager to see how the community uses it. It could be a good way for the DAO to find future explorers as well!
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as much as possible would advocate to establish a shared backend schema with projects like house of nouns and agora that are thinking of their own versions of this such that the idea liquidity can be shared and collectively built. regardless, I support this effort and feel pretty bullish that one or a combination of these approaches proving to be successful can help the draft idea to onchain prop pipeline improve significantly, which would help a lot.
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I am not sure about all the exact details here, but directionally this seems substantive and worth experimenting with. I often get DMs asking for feedback on proposals touching on ideas Ive tweeted about, and I think the idea of formalizing that process is interesting. I also am excited about possibly having a repository of all the things Nouners want to see built, though I do wonder if for something to really work it has to be the proposers own in some way beyond just writing the proposal for something others want to see done. In any case, excited to see experimentation here!
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**FOR - 40 VOTES** **Pizza** | *An amazing tool that would greatly help the rest of the Nounish ecosystem.* **Josep** | *Prop Lot has shown to be a good tool during the time it has been active, I would like to continue to see how it evolves and contributes to Nouns growth.* **Sasquatch** | *brian the goat* **NO - 10 VOTES** **ABSTAIN - 5 VOTES**
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Interested to see whether this or prop 242 (or neither) gets traction. I think its worth funding both at the moment, then evaluate in a few months time.
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dont we have prophouse already?
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I like the idea in theory but given that its already been used extensively in Lil Nouns, Id need some sort of evidence that the model worked there before trying it out in Nouns. Weve seen in the past that its hard to get sufficient Nouner participation on pre-onchain initiatives, so Id want to know how this is different before voting yes.
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We built something similar on nouns.center/ideas, and without network effects, it becomes a ghost yard. I am bearish that novel ideas will come from public forums. Id be glad to be proven wrong here, but I am almost positive YCombinator doesnt do anything internal like this. Quality proposals will come from ultra-skilled, smaller teams (Atrium, Goldy, Danit, Stoopid Buddy, albeit not so small, Prop House, etc.), that have very specific skill sets. Id be much more inclined to further fund work on this proposal if it has moved the needle forward within the Lil Nouns community, where this tool seems to already be in place.
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28 February 2023
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Imagine a world where voting does not exist. In this world, we would have no need for rules or principles. But in our world, voting is a reality. So we have a simple rule: we only vote against. We use a “Squad Vote” for each proposal. If more people vote against than vote for or abstain, we vote against on-chain. Otherwise, we abstain. This is our rule. According to the “squad vote” result for proposal 241, which is 19 for, 13 against and 12 abstain, we choose to vote abstain. We support Proposal 244. 1. The Lilnouns community has adopted it, with over 160 ideas collected and turned into proposals through a proven process. 2. PropLots team is truly community-driven, able to identify and fulfill needs on the fringes of the community. They are a team with a Crypto-Native soul, and we believe in their future! 3. This is an interesting governance experiment. PropLot will become Nounishs wish pool, and if it becomes a reality, it would be too wonderful! Both Nouners could enjoy a more complete governance cycle and a more active ecosystem. However, there are many concerns. The reason for these concerns is that 1. PropLots effectiveness in NounsDAO is in doubt. PropLot performs well in the Lilnouns community due to its member size and its integration into the lilnouns website. But PropLot and NounsDAO are very different. NounsDAO is a network with only 341 holders (NounsDAO is not a community), while Lilnouns has a community of 2338 active members who generate many interesting stories on Discord. In addition, if PropLot is not integrated into the NounsDAO website or the processes of Prop House or House Of Nouns, then there will be little interaction with holders and users. Although Nouns.Center has implemented this feature, its entry point is too deep, and no one uses it. These are the reasons why we do not believe PropLot will be successfully adopted in NounsDAO. 2. There are also many alternative products available. PropLots idea is simple and can easily be implemented by HouseOfNouns (in their proposal) or other products such as nouns.build and nounsagora. Overall, we are willing to believe in them and take this adventure together!
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Following in senecas footsteps here. I want this/the team to succeed but unable to build conviction in this particular solution.
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the ux flow requires substantial attention (quorum, twice (!)) from nouners w/o any incentive to do so. lowering said quorum defeats the purpose. from experience, its close to impossible to get a meaningful % of nouners to pay attention (understandably so) without there being 6+ figures on the line. im not sure this will get any real traction without rethinking the mechanism entirely. good luck!
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This is a proposal to create an ideas marketplace for Nouns, called Prop Lot. The goals are to facilitate the consideration of ideas and builders by the DAO and to allow Nouners to indicate what th ey want to see done and funded. The marketplace will separate ideas from proposals, creating a preliminary touchpoint between builders and the treasury.
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How can prop lot help builders/creatives capture nouners attention?
The biggest way the marketplace will help builders/creatives capture the attention of Nouners is by letting Nouners signal things they want to fund. Builders can see this and know exactly the kinds of things the DAO wants done and how much support it has (by looking at how many upvotes it has). Builders can in turn respond with their proposals. This gives Nouners the ability to attract builders to the DAO and also align with builders before going onchain.
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If Nouners arent really engaging with ideas posted on discourse/proposal ideas channel in jungle, what would make nouners engage with ideas posted on prop lot?
Having a specific site dedicated to the purpose of voting and feedback could prove useful, as it would help reduce friction and make it easier for users to engage with ideas. Additionally, separating ideas from proposals and allowing anyone to contribute an idea could lead to more creative ideas being contributed to the DAO and better alignment in decision-making before going on-chain. This would also help builders and creatives capture the attention of Nouners by letting them signal things they want to fund.
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I like this prop <:heart:897907571472629781> . It's already active in Lil nouns correct? What have your learnings been like - things you would want to change / modify for putting it up for Nouns DAO?
The learnings from the Prop Lot in Lil Nouns have shown that it has been successful in helping surface ideas and sparking discussions. However, there are still a few issues when going from idea to proposal that need improvement. The proposed ideas marketplace for Nouns DAO aims to establish a 0-1-n pipeline for ideas by separating ideas from proposals. This allows anyone to contribute an idea, builders to propose their execution plans for that idea, and Nouners to choose their favorites, which are automatically pushed on-chain by the proposer. This should lead to more creative ideas being contributed, better alignment in decision-making before going on-chain, and more competition among proposals.
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Thanks! We first developed prop-lot for the lil nouns ecosystem, and we also built out a POC for nouns that has most of the functionality of the lil nouns prop-lot as a standalone client just to give nouners a demo and a place to start exploring what prop lot could look like. You can find it at https://nouns.proplot.wtf. It includes all of the functionality of the lil nouns prop lot (token gated submissions, token weighted voting, commenting, profile page)--Our plans for next steps are a bit more ambitious and add additional functionality to what currently exists in our previous build for lil nouns. I wouldn't think of this as lil nouns prop lot but for nouns -- in fact that already exists in the POC! Rather, this proposal brings new functionality to improve the way ideas are suggested, reviewed, and taken on chain.--As for learnings -- prop lot for lil nouns has been quite successful, but there are still a few issues when going from idea -> proposal that we would like to improve upon. Currently prop-lot is just a simple idea board. But we think it can be more. -- Anyone should be able to submit an idea, even if they themselves are not capable of implementing it. If the DAO agrees it's a good idea, then it will be open to builders to propose themselves. Its a win if nouners are 1st voting on high level ideas, rather than specific teams/exact implementations. -- A larger pool of builders will be attracted to prop lot as the ideas marketplace. Need an idea for something to build in the nouns ecosystem? Come check prop lot! -- People with ideas should be compensated in some way for their ideas.-- There should be a fluid process going from an idea -> proposal on chain rather than having to find delegates, which can be intimidating for some users.--<@917519744104546344> can definitely elaborate more as well!
Prop Lot was initially developed for the Lil Nouns ecosystem as a token-weighted idea board to help surface ideas and spark discussions. The proposed ideas marketplace for Nouns DAO aims to improve the process by separating ideas from proposals, allowing anyone to contribute an idea and builders to propose their execution plans for those ideas. Nouners can then choose their favorite proposals, which can be automatically pushed on-chain by the proposer. This system is expected to attract more creative ideas, lead to better alignment in decision-making, and establish a more fluid process from idea to on-chain proposal.
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What would this enable for Nouns, how would it benefit?
Prop Lot would enable an ideas marketplace for Nouns, establishing a 0-1-n pipeline for ideas by separating ideas from proposals. This would allow anyone to contribute an idea, builders to propose their execution plans for a particular idea, and Nouners to choose their favorites, which are automatically pushed on-chain by the proposer. This would lead to more creative ideas being contributed to the DAO, better alignment in decision-making before going on-chain, and increased competition among proposals. It would also help builders and creatives capture Nouners' attention by allowing Nouners to signal things they want to fund, attracting builders to the DAO, and aligning with builders before going on-chain.
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