Proposal 274 (Q109)
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A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
|---|---|---|---|
| English | Proposal 274 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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Oni Residency: Nouns Community Discord & Onboarding
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the continental hotel
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lets see what unfolds. while im almost certain this is not the ideal solution for a common ground within the ecosystem, im voting in favor to experiment and observe the results. from the perspective of new voters, there appears to be a genuine need for a better information/onboarding hub for nouns. hopefully, this proposal addresses that issue.
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Definitely yes. Oni has been putting in work free of charge for some time.
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I think this is worth trying, stream should be cancelled if this does not bring in new people and increase participation
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Taken from my newsletter Active Governance: https://paragraph.xyz/@thebower/UF6pmJQChyRthUTsBfq7 Wow, so much to love with this proposal. This is how we should be moving forward in terms of community. This is not about centralization, but a path to empower communities and help new members find their way. I very much agree with Toady. As a new Nouner a few months ago it was extremely challenging to find where and how to connect. Oni seems to be aware of the problems of centralization and is taking the steps to ensure this is a community project and not an official discord. My only issue is the ask, which is a bit high relative to the work. But having experienced issues with this myself I know how important it is. Im willing to slightly overpay and vote yes from the get go. However I should mention this is not a sustainable model. I wont be in favor of 6 months down the line funding another proposal for the same amount, so I would encourage a path towards more sustainability or drastically lowering costs.
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Nouns needs a communication plaza. Funding Oni increases capacity of The Jungle to handle current, new, and hopefully other existing Nouners to be the go-to place to advance the DAO.
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I think the comp is high here, relative to what I see as the number of required weekly hours, but I am voting FOR, nonetheless. I do not think I support a canonical discord, but 1. I do think The Jungle is valuable and I use the prop specific channels regularly 2. I am for funding a diverse set of ppl/orgs that are engaging with the public and representing Nouns. I see Oni as being in that role here, and I have heard good things about them. Im not sure what exactly the success criteria is here: not sure what would make me want to fund again in six months. But I am for experimenting!
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As a relative outsider trying to participate in the Nouns ecosystem, I strongly believe that the community needs a central space where members can gather and collaborate. Im of the opinion that providing funding does NOT necessarily equate to endorsing any one space as a official, but instead simply empowers a community leader to continue bringing people together. Its crucial that people within the Nouns ecosystem work towards a shared vision of the future, and this proposal will help foster collaboration and growth within the community.
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A truly decentralized collective like Nouns having a centralized “sponsored” discord seems like a dissonant concept at first glance. However, I think a centralized meeting ground for the community would actually help us grow by providing: a common meeting ground for Nouns DAO, an onramp for people curious about Nouns, an interface for sub-DAOs (e.g., Lil Nouns), and a space for feedback on proposals in preparation. At the end of the day, really solid proposals for awesome ideas is what we want to fund—perhaps some community, timely feedback, and advice will help us shape amazing future work. The essential elements of a good community meeting ground exist in The Jungle, but it does need a spark to really be a hit. I’m optimistic that with some dedicated effort, we can build a nice community home on the internet together.
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I think we need something similar to what we had with Noun 22 before. I hear the criticisms from other voters, and I think they are reasonable and well thought-out, but I think those are course corrections we can perform down the road. Dont let perfect be the enemy of the good. We needed something like this yesterday. Lets just try it out and see where we go.
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Voting on behalf of owners
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I appreciate Onis work, but I have concerns about Discords impact on DAOs, as it can lead to uncomfortable social dynamics, centralization of thought, and reduced engagement from talented members, ultimately hindering the growth of diversity and participation within the Nouns community.
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Im not completely against the idea of the DAO funding community contributors, but I dont like the idea of the DAO funding one exclusive community contributor/Discord and thus making that the official one again. If the DAO is going to fund community residents, there should be a host of them offering different solutions/roles imo.
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After the official Discord closed, the DAO shouldnt be funding any work related to various unofficial community spaces. It would defeat the purpose of not having an official Discord, which I think has been a positive development thus far.
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I dont use discord
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for oni, his passion and capabilities. against this implementation of said talents.
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bullish on oni, but dao sponsored social layer is as bad an idea as state sponsored media. these systems are already extremely reflexive and very sensitive to group think & capture. if it were possible to engineer, i would expect that we’d actually want to penalize each incremental participant who joins a given social space to overcome the natural tendency towards group think / probability that the dao gets captured by a single in-group. this proposal effectively does the opposite, applying leverage to an already existing bias. you can read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
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Im pro oni doing community work, and while the intentions of this prop is likely well-meaning, i think it acts to re-centralize nouns in a way that i believe is a step in the wrong direction.
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I like the idea of Oni being an onboarder of sorts, but not of that initiative being the discord in the current format. I think this would falsely legitimise a single discord server as the officially supported server for nouns which I dont think is a good direction.
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theres some amount of romanticism for the old discord that I find hard to agree with personally. originally when there were ~50 nouns the nouner-general channel did indeed work well like how many small to medium sized group chats do. but as it became hundreds it really did become this wasteland where it was mostly dominated by whoever is just willing to speak, ppl being triggered, constant bickering, etc. regardless of official or not, or who moderates, I just dont know of a synchronous group chat (not twitter style follow, not reddit style upvote curation, just a scroll chat) that really works well with hundreds of members in it. they usually devolve into wastelands (punks, apes, really any large nft project discord Ive been to have been the same way). so while Im supportive of community discords in their own instances serving mid sized communities, having THE discord and hoping it doesnt run into the same issues the old discord ran into when membership gets bigger feels like were signing up for the same pain again. love oni and appreciate his energy here but have ptsd from the old discord and really not hoping to revive those dynamics back.
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I appreciate Oni’s intentions but I am against “official” discords in any capacity.
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25 April 2023
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25 April 2023
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Poll failed to meet vote threshold. **FOR - 23 VOTES** **Bigshot Klim** | *Oni has been a great point of contact fro all nounish things. This is a great idea* **DonJon** | *We love the Oni ⌐◨-◨!* **profwerder** | *Although I have concerns, I do believe it’s worth the effort to shift the tone & culture of the aptly named Jungle.* **Classic_Craig** | *1000% yes. we need this* **AGAINST - 19 VOTES** **EltonPenguin** | *62E a year to run a Discord server? Yikes!*
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The proposal does not provide a specific team or builder name
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The proposal is for a six-month funding to transform the Jungle, a neutral successor to the official Nouns DAO Discord, into a general Nouns DAO Community discord. The goal is to recreate the cam araderie of the initial Nouns DAO discord and provide value to the Nouns community.
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Does this mean <@393902285396377612> will have to put up his own residency prop? 😩
No, Juan will not have to put up his own residency proposal. He is a volunteer mod, and the proposal reflects the bigger picture and vision that Oni has for the Nouns community with the Discord server and beyond.
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Hello. I am one of the admins of NounsDAOJapan. Thanks for including NounsDAOJapan in Prop274. NDJ community members are very pleased. I am not a Nouner, so I am not eligible to vote, but I am very much looking forward to seeing how the vote goes. On Sunday(JST) I will have a Twitter space to introduce this prop to the Japanese community with <@922331808668991532> . I am looking forward to it. Have a good day.<a:noun_donut:1079973017767133225><a:noun_donut:1079973017767133225>-https://twitter.com/shutollen/status/1651118595857059840?s=20
Oni shared a few notes and clarifications regarding Prop274, stating that community onboarding should not be a one-person role and that it's not a recurring need. They want to spend time talking with past and future Nouners/builders to identify pain points and opportunities for immersing oneself in the ecosystem. Onboarding documentation should be created by bringing members from all parts of the community together. They also believe in supporting multiple people/servers and experimenting with funding community-ran servers to see if increased focus and effort can provide outsized rewards and networking effects.
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Question <@162709914966294528> —are you willing to rebrand the jungle and work on removing the toxicity? I think the name itself has branded itself as uninviting although accurate. “Welcome to the Jungle —it gets worse here every day.” I’d like to see some fun activities in here like poker night or streaming esports or other events. --I’d also like to see co-owners get Nouner private access. (I understand limiting subdaos). --fwiw I do think you would be good for this position & support the overall effort.
Oni is willing to rebrand the Jungle and work on removing the toxicity. The key part of the proposal is to rebrand the server into Nouns Community Discord and shed the previous toxicity that carried over when the server was initially created.
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