Proposal 279 (Q102)
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A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
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| English | Proposal 279 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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ethOS: A crypto-native, mobile OS
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- ethOS team is nounish af. - Nouns is the best version of itself when its funding much needed public goods (and accrues good will from crypto community when it does) - reasonable ask, very bold mission - this team ships
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Fund more ambitious projects!
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I support this proposal as it aligns with Nouns objective of promoting Public Goods and ethOS is one of the most ambitious attempts at a Public Good. Assisting in shaping our mobile future and prioritizing Ethereum on mobile platforms is crucial. The Nouns Virtuous Cycle is distinctly equipped to support such daring and visionary Real World Public Goods projects. I have full faith in this team, which has made incredible progress to without funding. Finally, the Nounish Edition of this phone is exciting and I will be purchasing one.
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My thesis as a delegate is: “Nouns has a unique role in the ecosystem as a gathering place around public goods.” Mobile operating systems are a duopoly. Many attempts to fund alternatives have failed. The primary alternatives tend to have very specific backers who are pushing forward their interests, and arent creating a neutral space for experimentation. That is why its even more important for Nouns to fund an open source, crypto-focused operating system as a public good. Hardware and operating systems are extremely hard. They require a lot of capital, far more than this prop is requesting. Nouns should give this initiative a small push and keep it going, to help incubate it for when its ready for substantial funding. We cant solve everything, but we can do our part.
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Seems like the exact type of exciting public and open-source project that Nouns should fund. I empathize with the concerns that it will be extremely hard for this phone to get adoption and compete with incumbents, but I dont think that should stop Nouns from trying to fund it if it is aligned with our mission and the world we want to build together.
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The only hesitation I have here is why 40 ETH?. Why not more? Why not less? Where else is funding coming from? That said, imo the ask isnt wild. Great project, great opportunity to proliferate throughout the Ethereum ecosystem, very in-line with our values. Excited to see ethOS hit more phones in the future!
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You used to call me on my cell phone ☎️💎
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Taken from my newsletter Active Governance: https://paragraph.xyz/@thebower/UF6pmJQChyRthUTsBfq7 Yet another awesome proposal. We would be funding a great public good for the crypto community and supporting Ethereum, where Nouns live. I belive this is a great opportunity for Nouns to be the first and main facilitator for this project. It will help cement our position as a pioneer in financing public goods. Raising brand awareness and so on. I am voting yes to this version of the proposal, but my only ask would be for Nouns to be more prominently featured in the product and not just offer a version of the phone with Nouns branding.
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+1 to 40s, ccarellas, and salvinos comments discussed on weekly Q&A call ensuring nouns IP representation beyond optional phone variant and team was receptive
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https://twitter.com/krel404/status/1653510860201947140?s=46&t=HMDCibI3Hl5luKRaTagiHA
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Id love to use one of these. Been a tech enthusiast forever and its something Id love to be using and show other people. I hope the marketing plan is solid though. ⌐◨-◨
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would love to see this funded and later for the ethOS team to execute and come back asking for more after the nouns community had a chance to familiarize themselves with the ethOS phone more. I see ethOS pushing forward an important bold mission on behalf of the ethereum community. maybe in the end apple/google play ball with the crypto movement and our progress is not hindered by their arbitrary censorship of weird rules (e.g. asking apps for a cut of the txn gas fees the apps facilitate). if there comes a time where we really come up against apple/google, then I think wed really feel grateful for a team like the ethOS team for have created alternatives we can choose rather than be stuck in their digital fiefdom. I aplaude the ethOS team for taking on this important public open source work and feel excited for nouns to play a small role with this funding.
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+1 on noun 40’s comments
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I love the vision of ethOS, and I am glad theyve kept at it. I do not think this is a lost cause: all things start small. Ive personally been an Apple fan boy for many years, but am ready to give this a shot as my main phone just because I am so tired of how Apple has treated crypto. I had actually looked into getting setup but didnt feel like buying an old phone. Having a preinstalled option on the latest phone will be huge. My biggest complaint is that I wish there were a better story to this prop: the ask feels small and like were partially just paying for a Nouns gtm option to sell back to us. I wish the ask was larger, with a clear narrative of how our funding can be a key differentiator for the team, and a better story around how Nouns can be featured: e.g. a Noggle easter egg on all phones? Nonetheless, I am voting FOR! Because 1. After talking with the proposers, it seems they went with the lower amount after informally getting pushback on a bigger ask. This will be the largest funding amount theyve received to date and really will meaningfully help them get to market quicker. 2. Notwithstanding what I said about, the Nounish device option is cool and should be fairly high visibility. 3. I think there is a good story here that will reach an important audience. The people excited about ethOS are Ethereum maxis who are Nouns adjacent, if not already plugged in. Of all the people we reach across various props, these people are highly likely to (a) be excited about public goods and the ethos of Nouns and (b) have the means to acquire a Noun or minimally become active in the community. I am excited about funding things that are highly charismatic to those we want to--and can realistically--draw in! Lets make it happen!
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Nouns should be at the forefront of funding public goods, and ethOS is an excellent choice for investment. That alone makes me vote in favor of this proposal. But beyond that, I firmly believe that Nouns should be *a leader in the broader web3 ecosystem*. How will we possibly proliferate the meme of Nouns is no one in our own world cares? Funding this allows Nouns to make a significant impact in the overall space. My one hesitation: I strongly believe that Nouns should have a much stronger branding presence than is suggested in the proposal. Any Nounish components should not be optional, but instead default. However, looking at Apenouns votewithreason, it looks like the team is open to sweetening the pot if this proposal passes.
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Pros: The operating systems foundational role in any software makes it a ripe candidate to make cryptonative, so that other applications and services built on top can enjoy its architectural assumptions. In addition, even if this particular instantiation doesnt take off, the open source nature of the OS can promote some future project to build on top of a base. Cons: Skeptical that a new OS is what gets people to switch their current phone just for cryptonative benefits. Much more likely that dominant crypto adoption comes through app diversity in established OS app stores, or via browser functionality within a web3 app (like what Metamask does today). Net: Positive - Despite the visible difficulties of new OS adoption, if anyone can help fund a run on a new system its Nouns DAO. The proposal seems very aligned with the DAOs overall goals of promoting the nounish meme alongside contributing to the long term development of the crypto ecosystem. This is an experiment worth running, and the fact that the team has already been making progress is a positive signal - were helping a team thats already been helping themselves.
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would support a revised proposal
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I dont think that OPTIONAL branding is enough of a tie-in with Nouns, would support a version of this proposal with deeper synergies. non-optional branding at minimum
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would like to see more juice for nouns dao
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I think a crypto-native mobile OS sounds like a good idea on paper for folks like us who are into crypto, but in practice I don’t expect ethOS to meet the requirements and experience expectations of the modern user.
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Im not convinced that a phone made by an independent company can gain the critical mass required to take off and make this a profitable endeavour. I am sympathetic to the creators of this prop, however, I just dont think this is going to work without an existing moat. For example, I feel that even if Oppo or OnePlus did this, it would still flop. Moreover, I recall Samsung having done some significant pushes for a crypto wallet to be built-in to their phones before and yet adoption was quite lacklustre. HTC also famously made a big push about 4 years ago, I even recall seeing their booth at EDCON 2019. I just have too many doubts against the ability of this prop to provoke significant proliferation and mainstream adoption. I am sorry.
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Ethos
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28 April 2023
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This week:-1. Proposal to include Nouns traits in naming OS versions, such as ethOS 2.2 Gnome, ethOS 3.33 Shark, and ethOS 4.20 Leafy.-2. Suggestion to use Noun avatars for users and incorporate Noun iconography throughout the phone OS.-3. Discussion on funding as a donation and the value proposition of the proposal.-4. EthOS, an open-source OS project, aims to transition from flashed old phones to new preinstalls.-5. Possibility of including Noun branding on all packaging and having a Noun wallpaper as the default on Nouns edition phones.
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This Month:-1. Proposal to include Nouns traits in naming OS versions, such as ethOS 2.2 Gnome, ethOS 3.33 Shark, and ethOS 4.20 Leafy.-2. Suggestion to use Noun avatars for users and incorporate Noun iconography throughout the phone OS.-3. Discussion on funding as a donation and the value proposition of the proposal.-4. EthOS, an open-source OS project, aims to transition from flashed old phones to new preinstalls.-5. Possibility of including Noun branding on all packaging and having a Noun wallpaper as the default on Nouns edition phones.
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ethOS is an open-source mobile operating system designed to fully embrace Ethereum and enhance the Web3 experience on mobile devices. The ethOS team, consisting of nine developers and designer s, has been working on the project since winter 2021 without any funding.
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40E is a lot, that should get Nouns at least on every phone being distributed for such a project, min for some duration of it. Why would you “not consider” this?--I think it's best to consider it as a donation, else it just looks bad. since there is no value being proposed besides being able to buy a flashed phone (requiring trust btw, not nounish?) with a noggles wallpaper and a box. It's basically a service that we first need to pay to have, at a ridiculously high cost. The idea of Nouns being CC0 is so that you can freely use the branding and offer the phones/services for a profit, not first charge the DAO to implement it.--You forking a OS maintained by others, and expressed interest in graphene so I’m going to leave this tweet here for reference https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1573713033246949377
The bar for funding is high and needs more connection and juice for Nouns. The proposal is seen as a donation, and there is no value being proposed besides being able to buy a flashed phone with a noggles wallpaper and a box. The idea of Nouns being CC0 is so that you can freely use the branding and offer the phones/services for a profit, not first charge the DAO to implement it. EthOS is currently a fork of LineageOS, but they are considering changing it to GrapheneOS. The security issue mentioned in the tweet is related to the potential of replacing a system component and getting the private key of the system wallet, which is unlikely to happen but should be treated as a hot wallet.
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dumb question that probably hurts the business model, so sorry haha but would I ever be able to install ethOS on any android phone?
It might be possible to install ethOS on any Android phone using a Generic System Image (GSI), but each device is different and may require some changes.
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hey noun12 just to clarify my understanding of your view here —are you saying the current implementation (wallpaper, logo on packaging, back of phone) etc. is too low or the entire notion of nouns funding a crypto-native mobile OS is too low of a connection?
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I really appreciate the point, noun12, and I don't disagree. However, we feel that the mobile situation represents a critical bottleneck for the entire ecosystem. We all have phones in our pockets. When <@759318767707750413> Dm'd me in response to the little manifesto I wrote (https://discord.com/channels/910934588073840700/916441442514272327) last year, we fully appreciated that taking on iOS and Android was reason enough not to try. But we said fuck it, if we don't, then who will? So we started building, and we are going to keep building. We're going to make an undeniably better mobile OS for crypto users, and we are going to massively increase decentralization of the network as we do it. It just needs to happen.-We feel just as strongly that ethOS needs to be open source, and should not be a rent-seeking point of centralization. We also feel that it should embrace experimentation, showcase what ethereum can do, and discover and allow for user experiences that don't yet exist. TBH we are going to release this device no matter what. It will definitely take longer without Nouns support, but we are on a mission and we are going to do it. We'd love Nouns support, not only because it will shorten our timeline, but because IMHO, it showcases what can be done with Ethereum; we can get a device out there without traditional funding.-In short, we feel that we are a bit above average. 😉 Thanks for the consideration. 🙏
Noun 12 believes that the current implementation (wallpaper, logo on packaging, back of phone) is too low of a connection for Nouns funding a crypto-native mobile OS. They would like to see more connection and juice for Nouns if they are to spend money to help push the project forward.
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Is there a reason why noggles couldn’t be on all the packaging? Even if not a nouns version
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Thank you for clarifying this, I think if the proposal was intended to be a donation it should of been made clear from the start.
The proposal for ethOS funding could be considered a donation, as it aims to support the development of a public good. Some suggestions to make the proposal more attractive to Nouns include having Nounish wallpaper on every phone, naming OS versions after Nouns traits, and incorporating Nouns iconography throughout the phone OS.
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This is not my field of expertise at all but this seems like some pretty core OS stuff… can you break down the discrepancy/recommendation that GrapheneOS is making in laymen’s terms a bit to help explain?
The security issue being discussed is that if someone could replace a system component or inject code into the ethOS system wallet, they could theoretically get the private key of the system wallet. This is considered unlikely to happen, but it's still a concern. The ethOS system wallet should be treated like a hot wallet at the moment, and without a separate secure display, it cannot have the same security as a hardware wallet. EthOS is currently a fork of LineageOS, which removes all Google stuff, but they are considering changing it to GrapheneOS, a fork of Android with hardened security.
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We could not consider rebranding ethOS as NounOS for 40 eth. I think most could appreciate why. Do you have any other suggestions how the prop could be more attractive to nouns?
One suggestion to make the proposal more attractive to Nouns is to consider the 40 ETH as a donation, rather than a payment for implementing Noun branding on the phones. This way, it would not appear as if the DAO is being charged to implement the branding, which is meant to be freely used. Additionally, ensuring that Noun branding is on every phone being distributed for the project, at least for some duration, could also make the proposal more appealing.
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