Proposal 319 (Q5216)
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A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
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| English | Proposal 319 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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28 June 2023
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Nerman.js
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Nermanjs
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The team behind Nerman.js, a software development kit (SDK) for Nouns DAO, is seeking 93 ETH to continue its development until December 31, 2023. Nerman.js prov ides type-safe access to Nouns DAO contract events and custom events like Noun OClock. The team also offers a Discord bot for customizable Nounish event feeds.
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I recognize the cost concerns here expressed by some of the Against voters, but I think when you factor in things like team quality and ETH volatility and so forth, this ask is okay with me personally. This infra isnt super sexy, right, but its foundational and I imagine will be increasingly important in the future. Im a For here. *sent from voter.wtf*
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Some context, and a few question answers🙏 Nermans first proposal ( https://nouns.wtf/vote/77 ) was very long, specific, and ambitious. We almost entirely automated governance in Nouncil and completed a variety of out-of-scope features to make sure Nouncils governance ran smoothly. Now, Nouncil is the most active voting member of Nouns DAO, with Nerman automating the 10,000+ votes of over 100 Nouncillors voting on more than 200 Nouns DAO props. We navigated the changing world of Nouns Discords as the official one closed, always building for an expanding decentralized social group. Whenever a good idea arose we implemented further features, like the Nouns Nymz feed. We continued working on the bots, at our own expense, long after the initial proposals end date. At the end of the process the feature list felt limiting, preventing us from continuously learning and refining our direction according to user interest and DAO priority. For instance, when we wrote this proposal Nouns had an official Discord. Things change fast here. I also had several people note (semi-joking, semi-serious) that prop 77 was too long of a read. So - this proposal is shorter and focused on a broader vision over a specific time period. This gives us a clear roadmap, as well as the flexibility to learn, grow, and pivot as we work. The primary focus of this prop is actually the Nounish developer SDK, not a discord bot. `npm install nerman`. The first version of the Nerman.js SDK was essential to all the bots we built and one of the most impactful things delivered. This proposal is not an extensive documentation of the features we will add. This is a proposal to keep the team focused on the project, working as hard as we can towards the vision specified for 6 months. We are currently a team of three, with me working part time leading, planning, and coding. This proposal does not cover any of my time spent on other Nouns projects - Yitong, you can still expect an ambitious Nouns Short Shorts proposal. Some of the items here will be very significant to do extensively and correctly. Were not just checking boxes, this library should be the cleanest, most intuitive way of interacting with the Nouniverse. There is easily enough work here for the team to stay busy for 6 months. Each of the features listed is a potential rabbit hole. Properly indexing all Nouns DAO data and coding interestin
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Joels VwR. *sent from voter.wtf*
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I think the ask is just too high for an unclear scope of work and not enough information around current or projected usage. May support a smaller/clearly defined scope proposal. *sent from voter.wtf*
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Bots are an incredible distribution channel for Nouns activity, and Joel has been building and maintaining almost all of them. Im very grateful for his work – both as a beneficiary through the Agora discord, but also personally as a voter. Im a yes on this prop based on the value demonstrated so far, and on the trust I have in Joels commitment to building valuable tools for Nouns. Some specific thoughts for the future: 1. It feels like the roadmap for purely maintaining bots is limited, and if Joel & team have 3 devs, id encourage them to think about additional ways they can contribute on the tooling front. 2. Personally for Joel, I wonder if this prop is also partially funding his ability to work on short shorts. If so, Id like to see a separate prop focused on an ambitious expansion of that program. Otherwise, look forward to all the amazing things Joel & team will do :D - Yitong voting via Agora liquid delegation
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Taken from my newsletter - https://paragraph.xyz/@thebower/nouns-dao-active-governance-10 Nerman is a great tool for the community, I have used it many times myself by tagging him on twitter, and will likely do the same for this newsletter. However I do have a few issues with how the proposal was presented: Data - I wouldve liked to see more examples of how Nerman is useful for the community as well as some stats of the usage it is having now. Same goes for the new features proposed. It would be helpful for non-devs to see some practical examples of what these features could deliver. Budget - I believe there needs to be more clarity here. Some questions that pop to mind: How was the figure decided? How are the funds going to be distributed? Why choose funding in ETH over USDC? That being said though, I believe Joel is an absolute integral part of the community and has proven his intent and dedication to Nouns. There are few people that I know truly have the DAOs interest at heart and he is one of them. The sum of the positives here outweigh my concerns, so Ill be voting FOR Joel and his vision. *sent from voter.wtf*
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On behalf of UglyDAO
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valuable addition to nounish discords
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**FOR - 39 VOTES** **benbodhi** | *Nerman is a valuable resource! ⌐◨-◨* **jackwyldes** | *Thats gonna be a hell yeah from be brother* **AGAINST - 3 VOTES** **fiveoceans** | *I think Nerman is a useful tool that keeps all discords synchronized with Nouns.wtf events. However, I believe the proposal would be much better if the names of full stuff dev would have been included. I guess Nouns values is in transparency and favoring builders. In the current form of the proposals, I feel like we do not know the devs and if they get the fair pay check. Of course, Joel is the trusted member of the community but I feel that the proposal sets a not good example for future builders who study proposals before submitting their own.* **eltonpenguin** | *93 ETH for a Discord bot that could be built with off-the-shelf MEE6 bot config seems very sus.* **ABSTAINS - 1 VOTES**
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Sent from https://goops.com Nouns Governance Pool
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I like Nerman. But cost v benefit is off for me here, unfortunately.
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A wrapper client for the Nouns contract would be nice to have. But I dont think the cost of development matches the deliverables of the code form the eyes of an engineer. Maybe should be much cheaper.
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agree with fugazi.eth: 182k to continue the development of a discord bot is too much
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I love Nerman, but this seems like an insanely high asking price to continue development on this project for only 6 months. I would support this proposal at a more reasonable ETH ask with a more granular breakdown of funding allocation. *sent from voter.wtf*
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we appreciate the development of nerman.js but echo the cost concerns of other voters
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Big fan of Joel but I find it hard to justify the ask vs impact since last prop / roadmap proposed
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182k to continue the development of a discord bot is too much
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using this space to recognize the irony that nerman will announce in discord that I dont want to pay them this well
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I also am somewhat skeptical of the associated costs. It would be good to standardize our expectations of what price per developer we are comfortable with paying, so that proposers can know what budget parameters to expect for what they submit. *sent from voter.wtf*
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(noun40 voting via agora proxy) a HUGE joel fan here but I also struggle with this prop. the dev team feels too large compared to the *current* usage of nerman.js and while the planned development might warrant the head count Im not convinced that all the big ambitious things that are planned will be used a lot... with software I prefer the voter.wtf / mogu approach (build something small and seek traction each step of the way) instead of the aim big approach.
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*sent from voter.wtf*
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Did you complete all tasks from the previous prop?
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