Proposal 206 (Q706)
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Proposal
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
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| English | Proposal 206 |
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11 January 2023
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Nouns On The Ground 2023 ⌐◨-◨
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The sticker shock was real at first, but what Aubtoshi and NounsOTG are doing isn’t purely an exercise in marketing - it’s an exercise in storybuilding as well. Bringing Nouns to places where culture and ideas are loved and celebrated like Coachella, SXSW, Burning Man, etc adds to the Nouns lore in a positive way especially when the energy that they bring to their events is proven. We have a massive treasury and I think this is a fair price to pay to continue the support of one of the most dedicated builders in Nouns. Excited to hopefully see another year of the Aubtoshi and NounsOTG show!
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I would lean towards 0xHindsights feedback and Bs around funding something wherein the value is hard to demonstrate after time and money has been spent on similar activities. And that theres more scalable value on the design of marketing/activations kit/formula that can be run by local teams without a dependency on one person or team. But I am voting Yes because Aubtoshi has been singular and I would like to see it continue. And the use of de facto milestones via the multisig is good to see and they stated clearly they will return any ETH more than the USDC they need. This works out to two weeks of auctions to fund Nouns On the Ground on the ground in a year where positive energy and in-person activations and marketing from other NFT projects will be less. More valuable now than in a raging bull for sure. Ball will be in their court to demonstrate this was ETH well spent and that we should spend ETH again in the future.
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Offering to devote a year of your life to rep ⌐◨-◨ at premier events around the world after devoting a year of your life to showing how amazing you can be as an ambassador... Thats Ugly⌐◨-◨
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Things that are scarce: talented community leaders who are willing to commit a year of their life flying around the world to evangelize Nouns. Things that are not scarce: treasury ETH. Thank you Aubtoshi. Make us proud!
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at this point we should probably think of NounsOTG as a team with their own brand (like nounish) not an individual. happy to continue funding NounsOTG since this is something we need and theyve been doing a great job but: A) other teams interested in events shouldnt be shy about similarly building out a team / brand within nouns B) we should probably throw a decentralized nouns con of some sort this year (through prop house like the holiday thing?) beyond being present in others events.
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Travel world, evangelize nouns
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Nouns OTG is doing fun and amazing work. When people see this IRL, the impact is surely long remembered. We’ve seen this particular builder, Aubtoshi go through the whole process of failed prop houses, then small grants funding, and slowly scaling up to this. The structure of this next year laid out in this depth excites me that anyone is this passionate enough to actually DO THE WORK. We’ve seen some amazing things happen that weren’t even planned due to this style of activation, such as nouns in a shopify web3 ad! Being able to plan a year in advance like this also allows many others to potentially also embolden these activities by adding to the experiences. Planning ahead is everything for this type of initiative and it makes sense to see nouns at all of these events.
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Agree with sentiment this should be USDC and difference since ETH pump refunded to DAO
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- For nouns dao props, the intangibles (authenticity & culture) have considerably more weight than in your usual org. - Aub deeply understand the culture, is v nounish and is genuine in her work. - Second order effects of having some like that ^ vs a more systematized, “sophisticated” and more efficient team at w/e event add more weight to the FOR side. - Lastly, costs and strategy: while i agree that these 2 vectors could be improved, I think of the premium being paid as the cost of (hopefully) attracting/signaling more folks to compete for the pot. Fwiw: we’ve seen this happen already with other “roles” within the dao. So i’m voting FOR while encouraging her to be more nounish about her approach (events selected, activations, etc).
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I have learned a lot from all the discussion around this proposal. Thanks all! I am voting for it because - I think that Nouns *should* have something going on for all these event. There are many alternative ways approaches that have been brought up, but I tend to think most will not actually happen or will not happen in time. If other people have other things they want to do, we should fund those too! - The plan laid out really is pretty ambitious (144 podcasts!). I think the ask is reasonable for the work. Everyone I have talked to who has met Aubotshi speaks very highly of her. It seems she gets Nouns, is a great ambassador, and is worth taking the risk on. - When it comes to spreading the meme, I think time is value. Better to spend sooner on a proposal you’re 80% happy with than try to wait for something you’re 100% happy with. Thanks Aubotshi! Excited to see all that comes out of this!
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the virtuous cycle IRL ⌐◨-◨
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**Nouncil Vote:** 41 Yes, 17 No, 1 Abstain 5 Nouncillors abstained from the decision **YES WINS** --- **Vote Reasons & Discussion** --- **byhardy** | *i love aubtoshi and what OTG has done. but the budget is too high based on past results.* **Classic_Craig** | *I love what NounsOTG is doing irl and on social. with a robust 2023 outline, I believe it can be one of the top visibility gainers of the next few years!* **JackWyldes** | *I like the idea behind this proposal but I dont think there is enough to show from the original 6 months content wise to provide me with the confidence in everything they plan to do. I strongly believe in OTG proliferation and content creation so I am a little conflicted.* **BENJAMIN LATSKO ⌐◧-◧** | *not scalable. recommended an alternative prop: craft an IRL activation playbook* **JoshuaFisher** | *couldnt imagine not giving this team the tools request to keep going* **Josep** | *I think an iteration of the proposal should be made, the proposal could be divided by quarters.* **Benbodhi** | *nounish af ⌐◨-◨* **nonodynamo** | *I think that it is important to have an in-person presence at events. The impact is not just in the secondary media after the fact it is at the event itself. Nouns On The Ground give a connection to the community as a whole.* **Blu ⌐◨-◨** | *Nouns OTG is about building friendships & connecting us all 💙 we need that.* **Mach** | *cost is too high with little deliverables, no quantification of impact, majority non impact events. No concrete goals to propel nouns forward.* **pin.pusher** | *Aubtoshi is the best but don’t tell her - Toady Hawk from OTG Discord* **profwerder** | *There is an extensive amount of organization for events and event travel. We do need a go to person who can not only carry out events but as a contact for other IRL opportunities that might present itself. Decentralization is a feature and a bug. Sometimes we need those ambassadors who can help bring others in while proliferating and Aubtoshi does this extremely well. This should not prohibit other approaches but this type of outreach is vital at this early stage of the DAO.* **kerimbonia** | *Yes Yes Yes... a nouns presence at all of the events proposed with a nouns community member that has showed nothing but passion for proliferating nouns is a no-brainer yes from me. the budget is definitely in line with the ambi
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Based on the feedback we have heard thus far it is currently not a hell yes from us at this time. If this does not pass we want to encourage Aubtoshi to rework and resubmit based on the feedback. If this does pass we wish Aubtoshi the best in her endeavors.
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Having someone that does not speak the language and understand local culture fly around to attend events instead of tapping into our local communities seems insane to me. Having several teams that coordinate on best practices could be the way to go.
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Would support if payment made quarterly after review
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I am not against funding Aubtoshi to continue NOTG. But Value Generated must be > Price Paid and scaling UP an effort to this size that cant clearly demonstrate the value created from the previous funding rounds doesnt make much sense. The follow up prop should be either the same size or smaller until a model is found that clearly works. On the ground activation efforts are difficult and this prop mentions using podcasts, video footage etc - but the Nouns on the Ground Twitter page has about 800 followers, the YouTube has 65 subscribers and the listenership to spaces is low too. I would like to see some targets for these things in the prop - as distribution matters if content is being created. (Maybe a landing page for NOTG or POAPs would be good too to measure attribution at some level) I would like to see a revised proposal at a more reasonable level and would also support additional (good) proposals or prop house rounds that leverage the decentralised community we have to give local teams an opportunity to activate more Nouners IRL. Generally speaking: A vote against a proposal is not a vote against a proposer. Voting no now is not voting no forever on everything. Its healthy to vote down proposals in order to give and integrate feedback.
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i am a big fan of aubtoshis having funded her through NSFW, and she is one of the most effective and passionate brand advocates the dao has. however, when i think of the potential gain to the dao of sending a single representative to all of these events at this price (regardless of who that ambassador is and how great they are) that i struggle to see the potential benefit to the dao relative to the cost. what makes it challenging is that many of these events are not our typical venues like conferences or hackathons (coachella, cannes, sxsw, burning man, basel) are international party destinations. nothing against those types of places, but i just dont know how to measure success and if the dao gets the bang for our buck for such a significant capital outlay. i am still a supporter of aubtoshis as the daos most passionate public advocate and would support a reduced schedule with more clearly defined metrics for success
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https://twitter.com/0hindsight/status/1613254301173817347 plus what B said
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Looks like Im in the minority, but Im voting no on this. I dont see this adding as much value as it is draining in ETH. A big treasury proliferates the meme, and taking big moonshots otherwise could, but not sure these types of events will. Just my $0.02. Appreciate the work that went into this prop, and wish it success if it passes (which it looks like it will).
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I like the prop. However, I think there just needs to be a tightened focus and proven activation metrics from previous props before voting yes.
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Nouns on the ground 2023
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11 January 2023
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.-**1) Is this basically 3 proposals in 1, with OTG + Podcast + Documentary sections tacked on?**--Nouns OTG 2022 was focused just on sending Aubtoshi to events around the world, and OTG 2023 asks to do more of this AND also produce a podcast series and a documentary, for which there is zero evidence that these are things that the proposer can do well. Perhaps if there were others on the team, this would be a different matter. Can you speak to these new areas of focus?
This proposal includes three main components: OTG (On The Ground) events, a podcast series, and a documentary. The proposer, Aubtoshi, has experience with OTG events but has not provided evidence of their ability to produce a podcast series or a documentary. The proposal aims to continue sending Aubtoshi to events around the world and expand into these new areas of focus.
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.-**2) This is a 1 person pod for 520 ETH. How does this scale?**--Are there other members on the team? Who will work on the podcast and the documentary while Aubtoshi is flying around the world attending events and planning for said events. How does this scale if we’re not sharing knowledge with anyone else in the Nouns community?
There are concerns about the scalability of the 1 person pod for 520 ETH and how it would work with Aubtoshi attending events and planning for them. There is no clear answer on how this would scale or if there are other team members involved. However, the conversation does discuss the importance of finding a balance between funding proposals and holding them accountable for the long-term health of the DAO.
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Aubtoshi is constantly working on behalf of the DAO and how she spends her own money shouldn’t concern you and even if it does why not ask questions rather than make accusations and cause drama? It’s not necessary and not helpful.
The concern raised in the conversation is whether Nouns directly sponsoring or endorsing a token could paint a negative representation of Nouns, especially if the token's value crashes. The discussion emphasizes the importance of being cautious and knowledgeable about such matters and considering the potential impact on the community. However, no specific solution or prevention method is agreed upon in the conversation.
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Can you explain your relationship with Bloomz and his overall involvement in Nouns OTG?
Bloomz is not mentioned in the provided conversation, so the relationship between Bloomz and Nouns OTG cannot be determined from the given context.
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Hi <@930317640487030854> 👋 thanks for taking the time to write this proposal and all of yours and NounsOTGs work to date.--One thing I wished was more clearly laid out in your proposal is data around how your previous Props 110 and 166 went. How did these Props impact the numbers around NounsOTG?--I believe we have to be more data driven about how we deploy money for groups that are raising money through a third Prop and up. Similar to early stage investing, we can give a check to and make a bet on the people at PreSeed/Seed without too much data, but at Series A+ we need to start making bets on sustainable models of growth and that starts by looking at the numbers.
There isn't a clear answer provided in the conversation regarding the impact of Props 110 and 166 on the numbers around NounsOTG. The conversation mainly focuses on the need for more data-driven decision-making and the importance of showing quantified impact and progress from previous proposals.
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I dont think the concern lies in what she is doing with her own personal money..... I think that the concern is: since the content was streamed from a Nouns sponsored platform, could it be seen as Nouns directly sponsoring or endorsing the token..... and since it crashed down almost 40% at one point today alot of people prob got REKT.... could that paint a negative representation of Nouns?
The concern about whether Nouns directly sponsoring or endorsing the token could paint a negative representation of Nouns is a valid conversation to have. However, it's important to treat each other with respect and seek understanding before jumping to conclusions. The discussion suggests that Nouns-funded entrepreneurs, like Aubtoshi, can talk about various topics on their platforms, including Nouns and other projects, without necessarily endorsing them. It's essential for individuals to do their own research and make their own decisions regarding investments.
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I'm trying to understand if he is actually a valued/legitimate member of the team, why is he asking lil nouns dao for 58 eth (either from our treasury, or to sponsor him in a separate prop to nouns dao) to join you instead of getting his expenses covered in this prop? Who's expenses besides yourself does this cover?
It is not clear who is asking for the 58 ETH, but the proposal covers 2-3 airline tickets (depending on the size of the event) to events, insurance, and checked bag fees for Aubtoshi and production crew members. The travel expenses/airline ticket price was calculated with 10% added to the total cost. Accommodation is also covered at each event for Aubtoshi and production crew members.
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I think if you take a step back and reread all the messages you will see that while <@1071163728579547136> approach should have been different, he offers a valid concern. You saying he is not a Noun, builder, etc …. How do you know this? Could be a major whale holder in an Alt account…. You should treat everyone the same …. If Will Price asked you a question in regards to money in your prop or concerns over a Nouns sponsored platform discussing a financial investment I don’t think your response would be the same. 🤷🏼♀️ Open discussion should be encouraged - your responses are not showing you want to discuss and learn from the situation, it’s showing you instantly trying to ‘shut it down’ by saying this is the way it is, don’t like it, too bad.
No specific question was asked in the provided context. The conversation revolves around concerns and discussions related to a Nouns sponsored platform and its content.
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I wanted to circle back on the point of tracking performance in general here for IRL events. I suggest trying out a POC of tracking performance. There is a bit more of a challenge measuring impact of IRL events vs something tracking dApp traction with DAUs, TVL etc... I was thinking of a way we could beta test this in a measurable way. <@930317640487030854> , is it correct to say that your previous props included POAP distribution? I think it was Prop 110. It would be interesting to see how many POAPs were minted and analyze if those wallets also have any activation in the Nouns ecosystem through things like Gnars/Lil Nouns or a lower entry point subdao or derivative. Any thoughts on this <@959005197244448848> or <@537427016501297152> <@738504263428472833> --<@959005197244448848> to your point on social traction, it is a valid metric for sure. Im just thinking of other measurable ways to track activation. -- I look at what GMoney has done with his brand, 9dcc. He has been able to activate, track and engage people through POAPs has been pretty creative, fun and web3 native. And the distribution method for his 9dcc POAPs in almost exclusively IRL. I think there is an opportunity to use this as a core metric for events going forward. Obviously, not the only metric but something that is easily trackable and incentivizes engagement. Let me know if you want to coordinate on data like that.
It is correct that a previous proposal, Prop 110, included POAP distribution. Tracking performance and impact of IRL events can be challenging, but using metrics like POAP distribution and analyzing wallet activation in the Nouns ecosystem could be a way to measure engagement. GMoney's 9dcc project is an example of successful activation, tracking, and engagement through POAPs distributed primarily in IRL events. This could be a core metric for events going forward, incentivizing engagement and providing trackable data.
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more of who is receiving funds & for what work should be disclosed. who is working on this besides aubtoshi? production & admin? i dont believe it's said anywhere in the prop.
Aubtoshi addressed concerns about the funding and her salary in the proposal, stating that a majority yes vote would be funding NounsOTG for one year, and her salary is laid out in the numbers. This salary is lower than industry standard and is meant to give Nouns holders a chance to participate in, better understand, and further grow the IRL/Events focused track of Nouns. She also expressed her concerns about anonymous platforms and the potential for personal attacks within the ecosystem.
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Nouns is bigger than ever with more exciting creators joining us from multiple areas right now, why should we slow down on the stuff that's working and making people excited? There will be nothing to measure if we're not showing up and making activations happen.
There is no direct answer to the question about slowing down on the stuff that's working and making people excited. However, the conversation revolves around the proposal for NounsOTG and its impact on the community. The proposal aims to continue proliferating Nouns IRL, and the discussion focuses on the importance of transparency, accountability, and the potential benefits of the proposal.
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one concept that's being ideated on over in Nouncil in relation to this prop:--> Instead of funding 1 person to travel the world for a year, why not create a repeatable & scalable playbook that can activate hundreds of Nouns OTG events around the world?
The idea of creating a repeatable and scalable playbook to activate hundreds of Nouns OTG events around the world is being discussed in the Nouncil. Hindsight shared a similar idea on Twitter: https://twitter.com/0Hindsight/status/1613254325790474241?s=20&t=ag2WlMyeGm6YaaewxBYoBA
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This might be true if the anon commenter wasn’t just grasping at straws in an attempt to fling mud at a good builder. So many people have minted NFT collections in this space, many of them cc0 and with no promise of utility. If every one of those is a “rug” then we need to clear out this discord. Is Lost Nouns a rug because they never did anything with them after? No. It’s just art on chain. I know for a fact that sobmfers was just a fun collection Aubtoshi made (and deployed herself) early on when she was learning about NFTs. It was RT by Sartoshi himself and surely never promised any utility. The other two collections weren’t even made by her but I’m sure there’s a similar story about Cheffo’s own journey as an nft creator. People need to get a grip and concentrate on the proposal itself, and the nounish execution record of the builder. --And btw, you can pretend to be unbiased and polite in here but in public your bitter energy is on full display: https://twitter.com/eldefijesus/status/1614295605282746369?s=46&t=UJpRL-LOc1rgEN7Q-WRxyg
From the conversation, it seems that the accusations against the proposer are considered false and not based on any solid evidence. The proposer, Aubtoshi, has clarified their intentions and involvement in the Nouns community, as well as their commitment to the proposed events and projects. They have also mentioned their past successful on-chain proposals and the return of extra funds to the treasury.
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Who do you support that is doing positive work for Nouns? How often do you find yourself adding value vs trying to “uncover” something?
There isn't a direct answer to the question about who is supported for doing positive work for Nouns and how often value is added versus trying to uncover something. The conversation mainly revolves around concerns and discussions about a Nouns-sponsored platform and its association with financial investments.
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<@930317640487030854> how would you like to help organize a Jarritos x Nouns event for Art Basel?
To help organize a Jarritos x Nouns event for Art Basel, you can join the group of people that brennen.eth#7360 is coordinating to get the proposal in order. Psychdre#7731 has expressed interest in being part of the group and is leading the newly formed NounsLATAM, which can provide digital and physical goods for the event. You can also reach out to Bloomz#4038 and Bigshot Klim#1853, who have offered their help with the event.
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does anyone have info on the nouns x advisry event tomorrow? would like to attend/help out if needed
The Nouns x Advisry event is at 12pm at 440 Grand Street, Lower East Side. There isn't an official list, but if nounish people show up, something can likely be arranged.
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Has Honk Hogan been used?
Honk Hogan has been suggested before but has not been used yet.
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Hey there <@930317640487030854> —does Nouns on the Ground have its own discord or maybe a spot in the Nouns Sq discord?
Nouns on the Ground does not have its own Discord server yet, but aubtoshi#9612 mentioned that they have been getting a Discord and site ready. For now, this channel (110-nouns-otg) is the place for Nouns on the Ground discussions.
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Jarritos x Nouns at Art Basel what??? <a:fire:997598164922155098> - That is awesome! I'd love to be a part of this, if possible, both as a latino lover of Jarritos and a Floridian resident ! I live here so I'm gonna be at Art Basel for sure!
Psychdre#7731's question about being a part of the Jarritos x Nouns event at Art Basel was answered by brennen.eth#7360, who said it would be super awesome and that they are trying to coordinate a group of people to help get the proposal in order. Psychdre#7731 then expressed their interest in being part of that group and mentioned their involvement with NounsLATAM and their ability to provide digital and physical goods for the event. Brennen.eth#7360 responded positively, saying Sounds great to me.
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<@1058043091812089867> was an interesting point / idea about poaps too. Maybe even using single edition mints for the duration of an event might be an option too for attribution? Dunno how to link it to attendees and make sure it’s not gamed or whatever but still an interesting thought. --Some sort of landing page that can track interest too. --Obvs socials are the easiest to track though
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GM <@930317640487030854> - where's the best place to find updates on the OTG 2023 efforts? --I'm trying to find the OTG Podcasts or any updates on how the events are going, but the OTG Discord, Twitter, TikTok and YouTube accounts don't have any real updates.--For example, how was the European Blockchain Conference in Barcelona? Any takeaways or trends you noted there?--Asked differently, how can we as a community best support your on-going OTG efforts? Thank you!
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I put episode 12 on the turbo chart. I also deleted the thread you were offended by. -So, can we *please* discuss this? Will talking about these coins be a common accurance or not? Nouners are concern.
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Also, raise your hand if you have TikTok!! Going to have a TikTok launch/raid twitter space party in the next week or so to see if we can make at least one of the vids viral (I’ve made a handful of vids and two whole profiles go viral on TT in the last year so we got this)! They are fun and FAST videos where I ask the world one question…what is a Noun? Here is the link to the first post that I have up to start building the account: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRyBbjER/
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are you doing anything else nounish this week in NY outside of this event?
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FYI **Nouns** will be **OTG** at the following:--**Advisry NY Fashion Week Show**: Sept 12-**ETH Berlin**: Sept 16-18--Who am I seeing at these events? Also, any major NFT/crypto events happening in Europe after the 18th? Let me know!
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https://discourse.nouns.wtf/t/low-fi-nounish-noggles-by-bigshot/2103 <@930317640487030854> on the scale of 1-10 how useful would low cost easy to ship nice quality cardboard Noggles be to your activity? This sample@is just a sketch made on a home printer so final will be heavy card stock witb a pro level print job
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Pins? Stickers? Would have been a perfect thing to bring paper Noggles too
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Thank you for sharing that with me. Have you been to the Nouns Discourse yet? This is the best place to post Proposals to get feedback from the whole community! That way your idea doesn't just get stuck on one channel here 😇 --https://discourse.nouns.wtf
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Where could this NounsDAO hackathon be held and why is it Miami Florida 🌞
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Aubtoshi livestreamed contest entries for EnterTheNouniverse and shared links to episodes. Hindsight raised concerns about bad behaviors in the Discord chat. JoshuaFisher praised Aubtoshi's hard work and dedication. Oni stated that everyone is free to express their opinions but discussions should not be forced. Bixbite encouraged open discussion and suggested treating everyone equally. Lituus questioned the majority of users not being holders and expressed frustration with unanswered questions. Aubtoshi defended their right to use their platform as they wish. Bixbite disagreed with using a Nouns-sponsored platform for discussing volatile cryptocurrencies but respected Aubtoshi's work. Aubtoshi reiterated their support for other communities and artists. Lituus insisted their intention was to resolve misunderstandings.
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This Month:-1. Chat participants express concerns about the promotion of shitcoins and its potential impact on the community.-2. Importance of open discussion and equal treatment is emphasized.-3. Aubtoshi is excited about future BudLight + Nouns activations and meeting Nouners in real life.
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This Week:-1. Chat participants express concerns about the promotion of shitcoins.-2. Importance of open discussion and equal treatment is emphasized.-3. Some participants defend their actions and contributions.-4. Others call for a more productive conversation.-5. Main issue revolves around promotion of certain coins and potential impact on the community.
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Nouns On The Ground 2023 is seeking 520 ETH in funding for a year to enable it to nounify 18 events in 2023, with a focus on four major events : NFT Paris, ETH Denver, NFT Toronto, and Burning Man.
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