Proposal 316 (Q5205)
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| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
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| English | Proposal 316 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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Nounworks, a veteran manufacturer in the Nouns ecosystem, is seeking funding to produce another run of Lo-Fi Noggles, aiming to distribute them globally. The plan involves surveying various active members of the global Nouns community to understand their needs and then producing and shipping the required number of Noggles directly from the factory.
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Nounworks
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Expanding Global Distribution of Lo-Fi Noggles
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- Cheap - Tangible - Cheerful Seems like a very high leverage play *sent from voter.wtf*
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I see these everywhere I go where Nounish people gather. They are some of the best artifacts we have. Send them to the edges of the globe.
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My thesis as a delegate is: “Nouns has a unique role in the ecosystem as a gathering place around public goods.” Id emphasize the gathering place portion of this proposal. Noggles acts as a starting point for in person conversation and helping people understand Nouns. I agree with Noun 40s concerns about overallocation and I also believe that there could be more intentionality in building bridges via the distribution of the Noggles. But overall I am in support to help people gather around Nouns. *sent from voter.wtf*
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I do think people should allocate their budget and plan for noggles in their prop and there is a chance of wastage cause free but .... no waste no gain. Yes *sent from voter.wtf*
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Easy yes! I see these all the time, and theyre delightful. – yitong voting via liquid delegation
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Nouns in Rio crew needs Lo-Fi Noggles so badly! Everyone who is building IRL knows how impactful ⌐◨-◨ can be and how much people ask about them. NounsWorks can count on us to proliferate and distribute them in the most nounish city in the world! *sent from voter.wtf*
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wide noggles distribution has produced great content and interest in nouns across verticals. could critique the allocations but its obvious we should keep distribution to irl activations
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i got a box of 1000 of first lofi noggle run. have given out over 500 pairs so far. people absolutely love receiving them. they immediately take selfies and wanna chat more about nouns. since they fold flat, you can slip them into event programs, stash some in your jacket, slip them into goodie bags and so on. comparably low per unit cost for the per unit impact they deliver. theyre my new business cards basically.
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Taken from my newsletter - https://paragraph.xyz/@thebower/nouns-dao-active-governance-10 This is important to keep building brand awareness. As Ive mentioned earlier, Ive been to a few IRL events recently and people really embrace the noggles and the fun around it, even if they arent involved with the project. This is one of the best things going for DAO and we need to keep it rolling. My only feedback on the proposal is that its not clear whether Nounswork is getting paid for this work. If they arent I think they definitely should be, but either way I wouldve preferred more clarity there. *sent from voter.wtf*
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On behalf of UglyDAO
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FOR as Ive seen people light up when they see noggles IRL, but hope everyone who ends up involved does their best to be waste conscious *sent from voter.wtf*
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reVoteWithReason w 40
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Love these noggles and think it logistically makes sense to get a bunch of these upfront so that we have on hand. As an aside, I *really* want to get a sort of Nouns Event Kit of various sizes that includes things from many of the wonderful makers in our community and can be ordered and shipped easily. Could even have a mini version just for personal orders :) *sent from voter.wtf*
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**FOR - 33 VOTES** **benbodhi** | *contract ⌐◨-◨ { function proliferate() public { while (true) { ⌐◨-◨ } } }* **guiriba** | *Perfect glasses for IRL proliferation ⌐◨-◨* **eltonpenguin** | *This should likely be a recurring funding that gets greenlit each year* **AGAINST - 3 VOTES** **ABSTAINS - 4 VOTES**
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(noun40 voting via agora proxy) I saw these in LA for at the short shorts event. they had one placed on each seat of the theater and it was absolutely the perfect form factor and really delightful. I like them better than the more sturdy plastic ones b/c it feels less wasteful in the mass marketing form (they are made of paper & very flat). so overall Im very supportive of this prop and am voting FOR. I do feel a bit concerned that a price point of FREE can lead to ppl over asking for these noggles (for example you realistically need only 500 but you ask 1000 b/c why not theres a small chance you might need more and it costs you nothing). So I would be a proponent of charging a small fee, lets say 10 cents per lo-fi noggle. In that case the dao is basically subsidizing the noggles (paying 95% of the $2 cost) but its still not exactly free for the recipient that they likely wont order 2x what they need. Would love nounsworks team to think through this dynamic before the followup prop but again voting FOR for this.
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I think its unsustainable in its current form..... I personally believe props should be budgeting all of their merch / giveaway items within their prop.... the price of the prop is what was voted on and passed by the community - if the price was higher (includes the paper Noggle price) the prop may not have passed, for instance if Nouns Running Club receives 5k paper Noggles at $1.95+ shipping that would be essentially be increasing the cost of their prop to the DAO by 20%
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Im currently uncertain about the business strategy behind this proposal... Its challenging to see how it can evolve into a self-sustaining venture without a more comprehensive plan. Right now, it almost feels like a concealed levy intertwined with other proposals, with their success uncertain. Id prefer to see a proposal that directly supports you in establishing this as an independently viable business or considers funding the LO-FI Noggles as a public good/utility, thereby enabling everyone to access the designs and production capabilities as needed. Otherwise, when is the next request, or the next one, or the next one... Its absolutely fine to request that event organizers contribute towards the cost of these novel additions to their events. A little friction can sometimes be necessary and there are instances when its best to eliminate the intermediary, similar to Ethereum. Recently Ive observed piles of unused stickers from events which left me hesitant for this one, yes even noggle stickers that were not just handed out by randos to randos. I truly appreciate the LO-FI Noggles and am delighted to see them at a lower production cost, but with what I have seen unused and thrown away from similar items I feel so much apprehension to be a straight hell yeah on this. I want to reiterate, I would be very much interested in a prop that funded you and nounworks as a viable business that becomes self-sufficient in its operations.
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Sent from https://goops.com Nouns Governance Pool
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This is uninteresting to me. I would not wear these. I think we can do better and be more ambitious as a brand.
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This Month:-1. Nouns Running Club has been organizing large events and growing local communities in over 10 cities.-2. Over 100 people have signed up for EthCC, and the club has produced dry-fit running t-shirts and Paper Noggles.-3. Weekly budgeting calls are being held, and a proposal to make Paper Noggles cheaper has been supported.-4. Suggestions have been made for mass production and shipping directly from the factory to reduce costs and logistics.-5. Members have proposed setting rules for Paper Noggles requests based on event attendance and frequency.-6. sqx. supports the on-demand aspect of ordering noggles and aims for on-demand affordable mass noggles.-7. adrianm supports funding the LO-FI Noggles as a public good/utility, enabling everyone to access the designs and production capabilities as needed.-8. thepencil. suggests a proposal that directly supports establishing this as an independently viable business or considers funding the LO-FI Noggles as a public good/utility.-9. bigshotk agrees with the points raised about packaging and is leaning towards paper packaging, although acetate is more practical and slightly more expensive.
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This week:-1. Nouns Running Club organizes large events and grows local communities in 10+ cities.-2. Over 100 people signed up for EthCC, and the club produces dry-fit running t-shirts and Paper Noggles.-3. Weekly budgeting calls are held, and a proposal to make Paper Noggles cheaper is supported.-4. Mass production and shipping directly from the factory are suggested to reduce costs and logistics.-5. Members propose setting rules for Paper Noggles requests based on event attendance and frequency.
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This week:-1. Bigshotk discusses the production of high-quality art products, including pop-up books and packaging for luxury brands, using a top-tier art printer.-2. They propose a system where builders with approved proposals or funded events can order their products directly.-3. On-demand manufacturing is deemed not feasible due to high per-unit costs on small runs.-4. The use of paper envelopes for packaging is discussed, but deemed costly and impractical.-5. The products are intended to be free, high-quality collectibles to raise awareness for the project.-6. Sqx. and adrianm express support for the idea, highlighting the benefits for Noun sub-communities.-7. Thepencil. expresses uncertainty about the business strategy and the lack of a comprehensive plan.
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<@813140072609218573> for the Nouns Running Club allocation, can you ship some to Hong Kong? We have several very active cities in the Asia region (including Hong Kong). It wouldn't make sense for it to be shipped to the US -> Canada (me) -> back to Asia.
The order for the Nouns Running Club allocation will be broken out between highly active builders who have events going all the time and are expected to cover 4-6 months of proliferation. If you want 3000 pcs, they can send 1000 to Hong Kong, 1000 to Canada, and 1000 to another Nouns running partner (perhaps in Europe) so that you have the ability to share for multiple events.
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Has anyone done this yet? My prop is a utility for the entire community if I have to buy votes to get it to pass then there is something wrong. I also think this is a pretty frownish idea in my opinion
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I do think there should be some rules/standards around how many a project or person can request though, like do esports and nouns running both really need 3-5k pairs? what is typical event attendance for an esports event versus nouns running and how frequently do they have events? if esports has bi-weekly events with 1000 people then 3-5k is reasonable, if nouns running has weekly events with 50 people then 3-5k is way more than they actually need
There should be some rules/standards around how many Noggles a project or person can request, and it should be based on factors like event attendance and frequency. It's important to consider the actual needs of the events and not over-allocate when something is free.
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Oh 😅 so I’ll need to have a project on chain to work with you? lol ok. -Fingers crossed though the prop passes 🤞🥳
No, you do not need to have a project on chain to work together. They can collaborate anytime on anything that makes sense.
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The issue with having each sub-community budgeting is that the noggles are very expensive if you just buy off the website and pay for shipping.--By mass producing and sending each sub-community a bunch to use for the year, it's actually much cheaper for the DAO and easier for smaller communities too.--Don't forget, some communities only get something like 0.5 ETH to do a whole bunch of stuff. It's not feasible for them to then spend ANOTHER $500 for Paper Noggles.
By mass producing and sending each sub-community a bunch of Paper Noggles to use for the year, it's actually much cheaper for the DAO and easier for smaller communities. The proposal aims to ship items in bulk directly to the builders from the factory, keeping pricing down and sparing the extra cost of time and logistics. The boxes will be broken out based on builder activity, and they will be able to distribute on a local level.
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This is what I said previously “If I don’t have to pay for something out of my own pocket I would want it as well…. For instance - and this is just pulling from the prop - Nouns Whiskey saying ‘this is awesome! We could distribute 3000 of them’ …. But if we asked for the cost of $6900 from their prop funds would they still want an allocation of 3k? Not sure. My personal opinion is when something is ‘free’ people tend to over allocate …. But that cost still has to be paid somewhere”
Either way, the funds are coming from the DAO, so nobody is really paying out of pocket. If proposals have to include funds in their ask for lo-fi noggles, they'll just add the appropriate amount to their ask moving forward. However, existing projects can't do that. There should be some rules/standards around how many a project or person can request, considering factors like event attendance and frequency.
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