Proposal 215 (Q1890)
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A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
|---|---|---|---|
| English | Proposal 215 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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19 January 2023
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Calabara
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Uplink.wtf - a marketing platform for all ⌐◧-◧
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This just seems like an unnecessary buffer to prop house.
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Voting no as requested by owner of the Nouns delegated to me currently
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appreciate the team continuing to work on this and enjoyed the video but something about highlighting the use case of running marketing raffles for influential NFT holders types ideas feels not nounish to me. I do appreciate the creator contests aspect of things more though.
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Failed to build enough conviction in this prop/team despite trying and wanting to do so.
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Nick and team iterated after their original Proposal 188 didnt pass, really clarified what they will do, and defined success and this now looks like a model of a well put together Proposal. After the changes, I said to Nick I plan to vote Yes unless someone makes a stellar argument against it. Nothing stellar ascended, so Yes I will vote. I look forward to seeing how you execute on it, good luck in the proliferatings.
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Creator Contests is an invaluable tool for helping Nounish projects, sub-DAOs and pods (Like TNS, Lil Nouns, Gnars, Nouns Esports) administer fun and engaging art contests that result in thousands of pieces of User Generated Nounish Content and attracts many new talented artists to our ecosystem. We are not as sold on the raffle piece and would rather the team focus all their energy on CC. Some Nouns branding on the tool would also be a good idea. Having said all that, we dont even think the ask here would be far out of line as retro for what they have built already (and is already being used by many in Nouns), and so think funding the team to continue development makes sense. In the past, they have proven to be very responsive to feedback and flexible and we believe they will continue to be going forward. ⌐◨-◨
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If we want to proliferate I think developing tools that allow for the deeper integration of social platforms and NFTs is a great way to do so… The examples given in the video are interesting (using NFTs as an entry mechanism to promote a desired action by targeted NFT holders) but I can imagine many more interesting use cases beyond that as the concept is iterated on… I view this as the a first step in the exploration of how we can combine Nouns with social platforms to amplify our voice. How it is used and iterated on will be important too. I would ask you look beyond the simple ‘markety’ example used for illustration in the prop and try to imagine what fun desired actions we would want people to take based on an incentive using a tool like this…ie sharing cool content we have created, prop house rounds etc Like the Mucho Love prop I also like how the proposers didn’t give up after rejection on a prop, took feedback from that no vote and come back with something better. It’s a great example and good to see happening. As I said in the prop I had never spoken to these guys before they asked me for feedback but after speaking to Nick they seem like dedicated guys who are building something novel. The type of people we want to keep working on Nounish tools imo
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Do you want to hear a DIRTY joke? Two white horses fell in the mud. :D
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Decent enough use case. I believe it can be a good tool for the ecosystem. Fair ask.
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i dont think influencer raffles & giveaways are nounish but am hoping to see other activations/initiatives scale up with these tools
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Super useful tools, rad builders, Nick has been amazing to work with in terms of taking on feedback and suggestions and has tailored a ton of features to our work at The Noun Square. ⌐◨-◨
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A very reasonable funding ask for a product that has already proved useful to people in the ecosystem! Excited to see where it goes!
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nom nom Uplink! Another great SharkDAO member working hard on ⌐◨-◨’s
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**Prop 215: YES WINS** 37 Yes, 7 No, 0 Abstain 9 Nouncillors abstained from the decision --- **Vote Reasons & Discussion** --- **JoshuaFisher** | *been working woth this team and love the passion, pivots, derermination and skills. we need these tools!* **Classic_Craig** | *At first glance, i loved the idea, but after more thought, this will glut up the already terrible nft twitter feed with people shilling links to win eth. this is not the way. good idea, but not the execution that proliferates. this, imo, puts things deeper into the echo chamber.* **Mach** | *skeptical but willing to see if it works* **Benbodhi** | *Very helpful platform ⌐◨-◨* **Josep** | *I think it can be very beneficial considering the large number of draws in Nouns. For me it is worth to dedicate 50ETH.* **byhardy** | *Awesome roadmap for the $. Easy yes.* **Mindtoasted** | *I would like to say yes on this, as a freelance artist I feel that Nouns Contest on twitter is giving a large impact to some people who work around digital art, a place where anyone who had an interest in art could also growth the community by their own Nounish idea in each contest they participate.* --- For more Nouns DAO proposal discussion head to the Nouncil Discord: https://discord.gg/nouncil
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19 January 2023
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Any color on why the Nounders voted No from anyone out there?
There is no specific information provided on why the Nounders voted No. However, there is a discussion about the proposal's objectives, success criteria, and potential value to Nouns. Some users expressed curiosity about the Nounders' reasoning, but no direct explanation was given in the provided context.
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Hey team - appreciate the time you've taken to write this out and engage with the community on it. I like the team's hustle and know <@804073245946806303> personally so I know they'll get it done. However, I'm still trying to wrap my head around if these 2 use cases that you've outlined in the proposal are worth pursuing b/c I'm not entirely sold.--The first use case is essentially a tool for influencers to promote Nouns. Do we have any idea how many Apes, Punks, etc would be interested in this type of promotion? Is this differentiated enough from free tools like https://twitterpicker.com/, https://app-sorteos.com/en/apps/twitter-giveaway, etc?--I've also seen startups in the past that have failed to scale a tool like this out - for example Thunderclap.it attempted to do something similar but had to pivot b/c it wasn't sustainable to run contests like this and they had thousands of people using them at one point.--For the second use case, I feel as if it's too close to Prop House - which is already pretty successful in what it does. If there's differentiation, there's very little.
The first use case is different from free tools like Twitter Picker because it allows for more interesting and advanced engagement criteria, such as changing your profile picture for a week to enter, and it has a token-gating element. The second use case aims to incentivize and retrofund artistic expression and distribution via Twitter to attract more creative people to Nouns. The raffle and contest models are two distinct products with different goals and methods, and the key element is the rich social integrations. The combination of token-gated raffles and social integrations is novel, and the goal is to create a tool that can both sustain and return value to the Nouns DAO treasury.
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I’m just giving examples for illustration purposes….I’m not necessarily saying we should target apes/punks or anything specific but the point is we can choose who we target. --At its crux, I basically view this is an exploration how we can develop some deeper open source tooling to integrate social tools and NFTs. Both of which we use all the time and is an interesting area. I think that is a useful avenue to explore and this is a good team and use case to do so. At a very reasonable ask--How can we attract more builders? By bringing more awareness to things that we are funding, by all and whatever means. This is one of those means. There are many.
Success for the Uplink marketing platform, according to Hindsight#7387, would involve developing deeper open-source tooling to integrate social tools and NFTs, attracting more builders and raising awareness for the things Nouns DAO is funding. However, specific metrics or numbers of builders to be attracted through this tool were not mentioned in the conversation.
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“rich social integrations” is rarely a reason why a product finds product market fit.--How do you turn this into a sustainable product that can stand alone w/o future funding from NounsDAO?
Some paths to turning the product into a sustainable one without future funding from NounsDAO could be:--A) X% of the raffle funding amount-B) a set Eth price for using the tool-C) freemium features that they build on top--These paths would apply to projects outside of the nouns ecosystem. The goal is to have a tool that can both sustain and return value to the Nouns DAO treasury if it works.
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Shouldn't we focus on 1 product here first instead of diverging into 2? If we think the creator contests are starting to gain traction, why aren't we trying to maximize a positive outcome for creator contests instead of trying to build another product with raffles?
Focusing on one product first instead of diverging into two is a valid concern. However, the raffle and the contests are two distinct products with different goals and methods. The idea is to explore deeper open-source tooling to integrate social tools and NFTs, which can bring more awareness to things that Nouns DAO is funding. The objectives outlined in the 'defining success' section of their proposal are reasonable, and the tool can potentially bring value to Nouns by promoting a prop house round or a piece of content created by the community.
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Totally understand how this can attract builders. What does success look like here for you? How many builders do you think we should bring in through this tool? Considering we had a similar conversation around data to back up re-funding NounsOTG, I’m curious to hear what you think success is here that could lead to a future prop passing for Uplink.
Success for Uplink could be measured by either:--A) being used to promote a prop house round and measuring success by the number of submissions received after using the tool to bring more eyes on it (i.e., is it greater than the average or what might be expected for that round).-B) being used to promote a piece of content created (e.g., a This is Nouns video) and getting a significant increase in views from that activity.
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Wanted to ask the proposers — obv it's not priority, but could this also be infrastructure to create a social graph of Twitter accounts that own certain NFTs?
Creating a social graph of Twitter accounts that own certain NFTs is possible, but if implemented, it would likely be opt-in only to respect users' privacy and preferences.
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Wouldn't you agree that marketing to BAYC and Punks isn't what we need considering your comments here about the need to attract more builders https://0xhindsight.substack.com/p/99-probnouns-part-4-how-we-can-get?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 ? If we're trying to attract builders, we should be targeting communities with a high density of builders. Most of the folks that own BAYC and Punks are collectors. If we haven't identified the communities that make the most sense to cross market for Nouns, isn't this proposal half baked? I understand that this tool has the ability to run campaigns against any community, but it feels this prop is on shaky ground if we can't identify those builder-heavy communities on Twitter that this tool would be useful for.
The main audience for the marketing campaign is builders, artists, and creatives. The proposal aims to develop open-source tooling to integrate social tools and NFTs, which can be used to promote various aspects of Nouns DAO. Success can be measured by the number of submissions received for a prop house round after using the tool or by a significant increase in views for a piece of content promoted using the tool. The tool can be used to target any community, and it's up to the users to choose which communities they want to target.
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Are Nounders expected to give post-vote feedback on every proposal (even if it was a short comment like 'this prop sucks!'? Would be an interesting poll to ask Nouners what they think.
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The Calabara team is seeking 50 ETH to develop uplink.wtf, a marketing platform for Nouns. The platform will use token-gated Twitter contests to spread user-generated and DAO-funded conten t. The platform will have two main modules: the Creator Contest and the Nouns Raffle.
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