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Vote Reason: we agree with other voters that these machines appear to not be future proofed enough for the intended validator use case | |||||||
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Vote Reason: Let’s bring more of that tech model railroad club hacker energy to Nouns. Nouns Model Railroad Club ⌐◨-◨ | |||||||
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Vote Reason: My thesis as a delegate is: “Nouns has a unique role in the ecosystem as a gathering place around public goods.” I agree with Wilson and Krels reasoning here. This is a bet on 5OC to produce something interesting and to make Nouns into a gathering place for hardware hobbyists. I dont think that this makes sense for every solo staker, nor do I think that the market is necessarily a good one to be in given the competition from Raspberry Pi and others. Noun40 and Jihad both have thoughtful points here that we should pay attention to. At the same time, I believe that the value of a gathering place around hardware outweighs the downsides of the use case and the market. Hardware hackers are a very public goods oriented community that is filled with hobbyists. Id love to see them join the Nouns ecosystem, and I see this proposal as a first step to doing so. Even if this proposal doesnt pass, I hope that my and other For votes act as encouragement for hardware hobbyists to join Nouns. | |||||||
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Vote Reason: *background: im an electrotechnologist by trade with experience in distributed systems. despite not having worked in the space for years, i still follow along with certain areas of research.* the r&d costs associated with this proposal are very reasonable. with the recent arrival of frores airjet solid state cooling chips, theres an opportunity to revolutionise mini PCs. id expect this to have a major impact on ethereum staking nodes, especially since most are built on standard mini PC implementations. its an exciting time to get involved in this design space, especially from a public goods perspective. id love to see what collaborative opportunities arise from our involvement as strong proponents for solo staking. most setups are still very much diy and often a hodgepodge of off-the-shelf components. i understand that those with solo staking experience such as noun40, whove pieced together a mini PCs, dont expect people choosing to run on raspberry pi type setups. but with the advancement of revolutionary cooling tech, thats exactly where we are headed. taking a public goods approach to this design space is itself a competitive edge and would likely get the attention of those reporting on the space. regarding proliferation of a project such as this, id recommend starting at the hobbyist level, by reaching out to those with cult followings such as [n-o-d-e.net](https://n-o-d-e.net/) / [mosfet.net](https://mosfet.net/) who already take an interest in crypto and have done so since the early days. yes, hardware is hard, but not so much when its your area of expertise and youre playing in a collaborative space that leans heavily on open source, open standards, and expansible systems componentry. id be happy to consult to 5oc on the gtm for this type of project. ive worked extensively on the development and marketing of new products in energy management and tenancy billing that are analogous to solo staking nodes. there are a number of unique systems integrator approaches we could take and the unique brand positioning and public goods focus is very compelling imho. provided 5oc is happy to niche down even further, id gladly take a bet on this proposal and am therefore voting in favour. | |||||||
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Vote Reason: Appreciate all the votes on both sides here. I am voting for because I think this could turn into something exciting and I think the flow of funds, starting with funding to build out a proof of concept, makes sense and is a reasonable guard. It looks like this is not going to pass, so Ill just note some ideas - Could we first fund an exploration to build a proof of concept machine? I think people will be excited by some proof they can see. - Are we sure that going for a validator is the best simplification of the original prop (281)? I really liked the original props focus on hobbyists and learning. This feels Nounish. Is there a way we can push in this direction at a lower cost? Again, just a proof of concept people can get excited about? - Nounish design is cool, but where can we gain the most from your expertise? Are there any huge pain points we can solve since well be going 0 to 1? It feels like a lot of the work for a validator may be redundant? - In general, Id say dont hesitate to discuss with any and all Nouners to find the most exciting version of this, and then make sure to pitch that here. E.g. for this prop I think this may have amounted to one of the cheaaper validator options on the market, but this aspect wasnt really pitched. I appreciate fiveoceans sticking with this and trying to refine to arrive at something the DAO will support. | |||||||
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Vote Reason: I love this idea, and while its difficult to execute on, even a partially successful version could be a good experience. My only request is that the computers be in the shape of the glasses. | |||||||
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Vote Reason: on behalf of UglyDAO: Love 5oceans and believe he would do a great job with this but would like to see more refinement in the prop to ensure achieveable outcomes. The focus on solo stakers feels like a great alignment so more development of how that would work, educaiton materials etc would be helpful. |
Revision as of 13:47, 17 July 2023
A Nouns proposal.
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Introducing Noun Computers - An Ethereum Node Prototype
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25 May 2023
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Competitive industry, no edge, no track record in it, hardware is hard.
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$250k to design and manufacture 50 boards does not make sense to me. $5k per board - 40 of which are handed out for proliferation purposes. After it is done, then what? We fund the manufacture of 3k to 5k boards based on this small sample? I do not think people are going to choose to run many nodes on these micro boards and if they are I do not think they will choose to do so on a board designed and developed by a lone builder with no practical experience in commercial hardware development or manufacturing logistics. I do not think its in any way realistic to try and compete against Raspberry Pi, BeagleBoards, Arduinos or Odroids and the other dedicated manufacturers that have spent many years and millions of $ on R&D, supply chain mgmt and distribution. This is not an effective use of treasury funds imo
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Im generally with Hindsight on this one... its a fun project, but the economics just dont make sense, and its not a good enough mode of proliferation to justify the outsized per-unit costs. I MIGHT support a proposal like this if it was tied to a very strong, unique GTM strategy that would get Nouns in front of a new audience.
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(noun40 voting via agora) I want to vote yes for this prop (I care about eth solo staking a lot!) but Im just not sure if its realistic to think solo stakers will choose to run their eth node on this type of board. my setup was this (https://twitter.com/noun40__/status/1627009674603290624; bought them on amazon and pieced them together): - intel nuc $454 - 32GB RAM $182 - 2TB NVMe SSD $173 total = $809 I just dont know if a ~$100 raspberry pi type board is something that ppl will realistically choose to run their eth nodes on.
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reVoteWithReason: hindsight & noun40
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we agree with other voters that these machines appear to not be future proofed enough for the intended validator use case
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voting w 40 on this one
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Love this new iteration of the prop. Thank you for revising and resubmitting!
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I support the introduction of Nouns in the DIY/Open source computers scene. If true, we would get a lot of positive repercussions and builders attention, since Nouns is a benevolent hackers club at heart. I would stick to a micro computer and try to compete with RaspberryPi. 5OC is an early nouns contributor, he is passionate and I am confident he can deliver something cool with this prop.
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This vote is a bet on the founder. Im a fan of 5oc, hes proven himself to be great at execution (eg, organizing an NYC sailing event never having been to NYC) and an ability to iterate and adapt to improve on his ideas which admittedly are often at the draft stage when we first get to see them. I think there is a more tightly packaged version of the Noun Computer idea hidden inside this prop. One that is even more focused on eth solo staking and better sells that narrative. However, given my belief in 5oc im happy to vote for this iteration of the prop as i expect 5 to continue to iterate and, together with the nouns community, perfect his idea over the coming months. Would it be better to reject this prop and hope 5oc comes back with another, more polished proposal? Possibly. But the nature of the ideas we fund, and early-stage funding in general, is such that not all things are neatly packaged from the start, and this is especially true for ambitious proposals. We are making bets on people to bring their ideas and dreams to life, and this is a bet i think the dao should make.
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This is a revised proposal. I have reduced the scope and focused on delivering blueprints for a cool and affordable computer to run an Ethereum node. I believe this kind of project is necessary and would decentralize the network and make it more valuable. In my opinion, contributing towards the well-being of the whole ecosystem would increase recognition and respect for NounsDAO.
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The proposal has improved quite a bit since the feedback from the previous attempt. I think this is the way the DAO should work.
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Let’s bring more of that tech model railroad club hacker energy to Nouns. Nouns Model Railroad Club ⌐◨-◨
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My thesis as a delegate is: “Nouns has a unique role in the ecosystem as a gathering place around public goods.” I agree with Wilson and Krels reasoning here. This is a bet on 5OC to produce something interesting and to make Nouns into a gathering place for hardware hobbyists. I dont think that this makes sense for every solo staker, nor do I think that the market is necessarily a good one to be in given the competition from Raspberry Pi and others. Noun40 and Jihad both have thoughtful points here that we should pay attention to. At the same time, I believe that the value of a gathering place around hardware outweighs the downsides of the use case and the market. Hardware hackers are a very public goods oriented community that is filled with hobbyists. Id love to see them join the Nouns ecosystem, and I see this proposal as a first step to doing so. Even if this proposal doesnt pass, I hope that my and other For votes act as encouragement for hardware hobbyists to join Nouns.
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*background: im an electrotechnologist by trade with experience in distributed systems. despite not having worked in the space for years, i still follow along with certain areas of research.* the r&d costs associated with this proposal are very reasonable. with the recent arrival of frores airjet solid state cooling chips, theres an opportunity to revolutionise mini PCs. id expect this to have a major impact on ethereum staking nodes, especially since most are built on standard mini PC implementations. its an exciting time to get involved in this design space, especially from a public goods perspective. id love to see what collaborative opportunities arise from our involvement as strong proponents for solo staking. most setups are still very much diy and often a hodgepodge of off-the-shelf components. i understand that those with solo staking experience such as noun40, whove pieced together a mini PCs, dont expect people choosing to run on raspberry pi type setups. but with the advancement of revolutionary cooling tech, thats exactly where we are headed. taking a public goods approach to this design space is itself a competitive edge and would likely get the attention of those reporting on the space. regarding proliferation of a project such as this, id recommend starting at the hobbyist level, by reaching out to those with cult followings such as [n-o-d-e.net](https://n-o-d-e.net/) / [mosfet.net](https://mosfet.net/) who already take an interest in crypto and have done so since the early days. yes, hardware is hard, but not so much when its your area of expertise and youre playing in a collaborative space that leans heavily on open source, open standards, and expansible systems componentry. id be happy to consult to 5oc on the gtm for this type of project. ive worked extensively on the development and marketing of new products in energy management and tenancy billing that are analogous to solo staking nodes. there are a number of unique systems integrator approaches we could take and the unique brand positioning and public goods focus is very compelling imho. provided 5oc is happy to niche down even further, id gladly take a bet on this proposal and am therefore voting in favour.
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Appreciate all the votes on both sides here. I am voting for because I think this could turn into something exciting and I think the flow of funds, starting with funding to build out a proof of concept, makes sense and is a reasonable guard. It looks like this is not going to pass, so Ill just note some ideas - Could we first fund an exploration to build a proof of concept machine? I think people will be excited by some proof they can see. - Are we sure that going for a validator is the best simplification of the original prop (281)? I really liked the original props focus on hobbyists and learning. This feels Nounish. Is there a way we can push in this direction at a lower cost? Again, just a proof of concept people can get excited about? - Nounish design is cool, but where can we gain the most from your expertise? Are there any huge pain points we can solve since well be going 0 to 1? It feels like a lot of the work for a validator may be redundant? - In general, Id say dont hesitate to discuss with any and all Nouners to find the most exciting version of this, and then make sure to pitch that here. E.g. for this prop I think this may have amounted to one of the cheaaper validator options on the market, but this aspect wasnt really pitched. I appreciate fiveoceans sticking with this and trying to refine to arrive at something the DAO will support.
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I love this idea, and while its difficult to execute on, even a partially successful version could be a good experience. My only request is that the computers be in the shape of the glasses.
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Fiveoceans_dev
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25 May 2023
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on behalf of UglyDAO: Love 5oceans and believe he would do a great job with this but would like to see more refinement in the prop to ensure achieveable outcomes. The focus on solo stakers feels like a great alignment so more development of how that would work, educaiton materials etc would be helpful.
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This week:-1. Fiveoceans_dev proposed a project to create Noun Computers, single board computers designed to run Ethereum nodes.-2. The project aims to be more sustainable and cost-effective than using Raspberry Pi's.-3. The proposal required $150K for prototype design and manufacturing, and $50K for compensation.-4. The total cost for manufacturing 3K-5K units was estimated at $450K.-5. Fiveoceans_dev later canceled the proposal but welcomed further comments and suggestions.
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This Month:-1. Fiveoceans_dev proposed a project to create Noun Computers, single board computers designed to run Ethereum nodes, aiming for sustainability and cost-effectiveness.-2. The initial proposal required $150K for prototype design and manufacturing, and $50K for compensation, with an estimated total cost of $450K for 3K-5K units.-3. Fiveoceans_dev later canceled the proposal but welcomed further comments and suggestions.-4. In their second attempt, they requested feedback and help in creating a step-by-step plan for Noun Computers.-5. After receiving votes and comments, fiveoceans_dev decided to cancel the proposal again to save time and resources, but remained open to further comments and suggestions.
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The proposal introduces Noun Computers, credit card-sized computers designed for Ethereum staking. The goal is not to dominate the market but to unite developers and promote the NounsDAO culture. The compute rs will run on Linux and are aimed at Ethereum stacking, blockchain development, and programming learning.
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