Proposal 225 (Q1936)
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A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
|---|---|---|---|
| English | Proposal 225 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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2 February 2023
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Noun sounds
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Noun Sounds: Empowering Musicians + Community
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Nouns Sounds was unanimous when it was a small experiment with a clear set of deliverables. It went ok but it hasnt left our bubble yet and the community around it is pre-traction. As a platform, its very early and doesnt exist yet. It doesnt warrant big spending (yet), its still very much at the experiment level. Its on this team to prove out much more before its worth funding more. It doesnt make sense for the DAO to take experiments and 5x or 10x the funding unless theres strong evidence that it was a clear win. If this was continue to explore Noun Sounds and 50 ETH + 20 ETh for a CC0 music Prop House rounds, thered be something to debate, but after this ask and the strategy, Id lean No there. There is serious issues here with strategy and not understanding that the partnerships with these famous musicians are not only very expensive marketing for a platform that isnt ready for it but also a poor fit for how to build a real organic CC0 focused music community of any kind. You need people, small people, passionate people who vibe organically and dont need to be paid to vibe. Find those people, engage them with Noun Sounds, build Noun Sounds and its community with them. Money doesnt spend for that. When Proposers are getting paid by the DAO in other places, its helpful and important to lay that out upfront. The DAO deserves to know, the relationship is already so assymetrical, I expect our partners to be clear and WANT the DAO to be informed. Id also want to see Proposals be transparent when they have relationships with entities they are funding in the Proposal itself. It would help to know that Woody has a relationship with Save the Music -- it means that execution there is more likely to go more smoothly. Its also important because the DAO should know when theres the potential for related party transactions. Its small dollars here so it doesnt matter as much right now but STM was also was mentioned in that this team expects funding for future STM proposals, so understanding that relationship is important. It also highlights the lack of cohesion and focus here -- STM future proposals for even more money but also focusing on expensive celebrity marketing but also working on a pre-traction platform that will live and die by passionate CC0 creators that are not either of the first 2 groups is an odd admixture.
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This cost is insane
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Reasonings compiled here: https://cbites.substack.com/p/active-governance-noun-582-1
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Surely there is a typo here? An ask this size should demonstrate a high level of demand and proliferation from the pilot project first. I also dont like the idea of astroturfing our way to success by buying thin collabs with trendy artists. Feels cheap.
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If Nouns is an art movement, we cant afford to ignore music. Woody is the one doing the most to make that symbiosis happen and hes uniquely positioned to do it (Grammy-nominated musician who is nounish AF.)
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I feel like Nouns has an opportunity to start reaching into the music industry here with this. Could be absolutely massive. Music is nounish.
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im in favor of proposals like this one that increase awareness of nouns in interesting ways. hes doesnt mention it in the proposal, but on top of being a talented and reliable builder in the nouniverse, SuperTightWoody is a grammy-nominated producer with connections in the industry. the value gained from onboarding more musicians who themselves have connections and audiences, far outweighs the asking price in this proposal.
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**Prop 225: Nouncil Votes YES** **YES - 31 votes** - Need a “hell yes!” option Nerman cuz issa vibe! Excited to see this next phase especially the work with Save the Music! - Big yes - 👐 - seems a bit risky for the cost but who could say no to ghostface killah - I think this is very Nounish - LOVE this. MORE music. - music is nounish and so is this team witha proven record of continuous commitment to nounish excellence - rich vein for proliferation + woody is smashing it - My life up until this point was always about trying to make it somewhere with music and if this can help give people more opportunity then I want to support it **NO - 15 votes** - It seems to me that there are ways to more adequately dissipate these funds, I dont think it is worth anywhere near what is being asked. - I support Noun Sounds and Woodys efforts. Having this music arm of Nouns is awesome. And I love LOVE the playlist idea - has some viral components. But I would like to see more budget aimed at on onboarding indie/web3-focused musicians rather than the big $$ budget on a Ghostface collab. Would support with a simple shift of that budget to more Prop House rounds & marketing those rounds. - It’s a huge red flag you’re asking for 250eth from the DAO & won’t even answer questions in the discord Nouners are asking. Paying “artists & influencers” is as inauthentic as it gets in web3
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2 February 2023
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Noun Sounds is proposing a 6-month project to enhance their music ecosystem. The plan includes empowering and onboarding musicians, developing the Noun Sounds platform, creating a DAO structure, and fost ering partnerships. They aim to create a self-sustaining community around music.
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and we delivered quite a highly utilized project, we want to keep our momentum going and build out something we are passionate about. --How is this Noun Sounds highly utilized? This is something with very little traction and it could get there but needs someone who is passionate about it to make it happen, to create a culture, to build a community, to have it be their mission and to think strategically. What good crypto culture or project that lasts was founded by someone who had to be highly paid their market rate to do that upfront? It's almost always the opposite.--Nouns Sounds was unanimous when it was a small experiment with a clear set of deliverables. It went ok but it hasn't left our bubble yet and the community around it is pre-traction. As a platform, it's very early and doesn't exist yet. It doesn't warrant big spending (yet), it's still very much at the experiment level. It's on this team to prove out much more before it's worth funding more. It doesn't make sense for the DAO to take experiments and 5x or 10x the funding unless there's strong evidence that it was a clear win. If this was continue to explore Noun Sounds and 50 ETH, there'd be something to debate.--There is serious issues here with strategy and not understanding that the partnerships with these famous musicians are not only very expensive marketing for a platform that isn't ready for it but also a poor fit for how to build a real organic CC0 focused music community of any kind. You need people, small people, passionate people who vibe organically and don't need to be paid to vibe. Paying people to vibe with you is not real vibes, it's transient vibes of which you won't even hear an echo an hour later. --In general, the FAQ lacks substance and makes me have less confidence that the team really has a handle on what they are doing or how to get there. And the ask is to fund this team for $400k. We have 3 200-300 ETH proposals hitting the chain every week at this point.
There is no clear answer to how Noun Sounds is highly utilized. The conversation raises concerns about the project's traction, strategy, and funding. It suggests that the project is still at the experiment level and needs to prove its value before receiving more funding. The discussion also questions the effectiveness of partnerships with famous musicians and emphasizes the importance of building an organic, passionate community.
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can the team go into a little more detail on the $100k ghostface killah collab? does ghostface have an affinity for nouns? the song would be about nouns and cc0? is this being negotiated directly by the team or is there an intermediary? what is the likelihood of this partnership occuring?
There is no direct answer to the question about the details of the $100k Ghostface Killah collaboration. However, it was suggested to reach out to Woody on Twitter or join a TNS space to discuss with him. The conversation also mentioned concerns about the proposal, strategy, and funding, but no specific details about the Ghostface Killah collaboration were provided.
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Ghostface Killah and Lisa Caruso. Why them? I don't see the connection that binds them. Are there other artists whose music is a better fit for Nouns Sounds? I don't think the spend on either makes much sense given how nascent Nouns Sounds is, it's the thing you do after you have a killer platform you want to push out -- it's marketing for a product/platform/community that isn't ready yet. I'd cut all of that for now.--In the video it says the conversations with Save the Music are preliminary. I'd want to know more about what that means. What if they go nowhere? Does the NS team have a relationship with them or anyone who works there? Where does the funding for this come from, the 19.5 ETH for Prop House or some other bucket? This all felt thrown in and I doubt it was intended to.--The Playlist minting is nice, it will be a slog to get that used though, you will need CC0 artists not celebrity ones to buy in, give it traction and help iterate it. Similar to my comments about the value of celebrity musicians to Nouns Sounds -- you need to build out a community first, one that fits and will stick and help build out your dream.--Would be excited to see how Prop House rounds go and whether they add net new people into Nouns Sounds and Nouns. That should be the metric that matters, net new people (and then later retention of net new people absent the immediate prospects of money rewards). And then the subjective quality of the collective production of art, which should be positively correlated with that.
There is no direct answer to the question about the connection between Ghostface Killah and Lisa Caruso or whether there are other artists whose music is a better fit for Nouns Sounds. However, there is a Noun Sounds FAQ link provided: https://supertightco.notion.site/Noun-Sounds-FAQ-eb5eeba1855e481b8d6035a9e35ed692. Additionally, it is mentioned that there is no actual communication or agreement with Ghostface Killah at the moment.
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