Proposal 223 (Q1770) : Difference between revisions

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1. If a Proposal misleads in their text, I wont vote for it. I expect better. 2. The model here should be: let Nouns DAO subsidize you experimenting and making us your test bed to launch what you are doing and we both win, if you make something that ends up having fit for us, or we lose a little if you dont. BuilderDAO giving you 25 ETH as they have, us voting on whether to give you 50 ETH or not, and you figuring out how to bridge the rest is a model that this DAO can support.

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more transparency for what the 190E is used for?

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Reasonings compiled here: https://cbites.substack.com/p/active-governance-noun-582-1

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Supported By

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House of Nouns is important governance infrastructure that Nouns paid to see an MVP on. The team has delivered so far and wants to develop it into a more robust tool. The ask seems overall comparable to other proposals from similar teams and we look forward to seeing the platform become even more useful to the DAO (and to other DAOs when it is made Open Source.)

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id like a non discourse and more interactive client to see nouner verified discussions

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I like HoN. I think its valuable infra for the ecosystem.

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Love the vision and the execution. And the transparency. Well done.

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I wanted to proactively share some answers to frequent questions we’ve been getting: Aren’t you VC-backed? Yes, we are. That’s why we’ve geared this prop to deliver an entirely open-source, openly owned codebase — so there is no centralized value capture, and anyone can host, build on top of, and monetize the end deliverables. We think this completely aligns incentives and will help build a strong, open ecosystem. What does open sourcing mean here? This means everything from the repo to the APIs will be open access, so people with varying levels of technical acumen can clone and re-host and build on top of House of Nouns. We’ll also be doing continual data dumps to Arweave for any offchain data. Budget? While ETH is going up in price, we’ve decreased our prop’s total cost by ~$100k. We heavily increased deliverables and the speed at which we deliver them. We’re looking for 9ETH/month/developer, which is less than any other active developers for Nouns. We think that deliverables and actual matter the most, and think they are very justifiable for the cost of 190ETH in terms of the long-term impact they can have on the DAO’s success. Integrations? We’re looking to be as open and composable as possible. We want to integrate the amazing work of others everywhere it makes sense, versus create clones and replicate any functionality. We want to be a bridge between the disjoint governance infrastructure in the ecosystem. Thank you for your time sers <3

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Voting yes here despite som reservations. I want to support a team that has dedicated a lot of time to serving the DAO and has built a tool that I use on every prop. I think we should help them as they try to figure out a model to make their work sustainable. I wish there was more clarity on exactly what the model is. 5 months is not a lot of time, and I find the ask/salaries to be pretty high. Would prefer we were being charged some like annual fee as a DAO. But as usual, our task is to vote on the proposal that’s been put up, and not the one we wish was, and I think the main thing is I want to make sure the team can keep building and figure out a long term plan.

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**Prop 223: Nouncil Votes YES** --- **YES - 33 votes** - I use HON everyday for the show and I love the direction that they want to take it. I believe there is a need for a central discussion point for those who want to participate in the DAO but dont have time to go to multiple sites digging for conversation and prop information. - yes BUT! can you implement the key elements of the nouns creative direction? Fonts, color scale, etc. I feel like for phase 2 this would be grand!! - but please change that hideous header - HON is excellent - I think it is appropriate, House of Nouns has shown to be of great help to the DAO. **NO - 13 votes** - I am likely in the minority, but Im not a big fan of these unique clients that need to be used, but perhaps I just need to be educated on it all. I do not think a unique dashboard is the difference. - The cost is way too high **ABSTAIN - 3 votes** --- (7 Nouncillors abstained from this decision.)

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Proposal Submission Date

1 February 2023

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Abstained By

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Proposal Duration in Months

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Proposal Budget in ETH

190

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Transfer Value in ETH

190

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Team Size

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Abstain Count

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Team Name

House of nouns

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Summary

The House of Nouns team is requesting 190 ETH to fund five months of development for House of Nouns v2. The team has seen significant growth with their MVP, and now aims to bui ld a superior pre-proposal client, create a platform for generating ideas, open source their core infrastructure, and expand to all Nounish DAOs.

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Question & Answer

<@821168068898062397> congrats on launching!-does it show somewhere the proposal actions?-I saw the budget, but where can I see the actions in more detail?

Related Channel

The proposal actions are not currently shown in detail, but rocketman#1802 mentioned that they are working on adding this feature.

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just added focus mode and are working on the Feelers (half-backed prop ideas feedback) feature + Discourse ingestion, any other features people want to see in the short term?

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Why use collective over ens

Related Channel

House of Nouns is built by Collective, and if someone changed their profile picture explicitly on Collective, it is prioritized. However, ENS integration is planned for the future.

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At a glance, this looks like a useful tool, props on the mockup/UI/UX work. --So if the intent is to supplant discourse, how will user auth be handled? Use discourse as an OAuth2-like API? Instead of utilizing email or OAuth2, will it be wallet gated? Perhaps with WalletConnect or the like? This would be inline with Web3 ethos and allow participation across the board of Nounders, Nouners and the general non-token-holding public to comment and hold discussions at the public wallet level.--How many channels or categories would there be? For the proposal category/channel a useful check would be to ensure only prop submitters initiate discussions by allowing only the proposal submitters' wallet addresses to submit a number of posts less than or equal to the number of active on-chain submissions associated with that address. This ensures the channel holds discussions only on active proposals and that only proposal submitters can choose whether to start a discussion, or not (or even throw away the opportunity by starting a random discussion). --I fail to see the utility of adding the heyanoun anonymous commenting module, by utilizing the above mentioned wallet-gating method anyone would be able to create a burner wallet, if they choose, to handle pseudonymous commenting.---In principle the mechanics of this utility appears sound, but a bit more clarity on the mechanics of how user participation is handled on a technical level would give us information for making good discernment. --On another note, curious how many hours and/or what it cost your team to develop the mockup, demo and write the text.

User authentication for the House of Nouns platform will be wallet-gated, currently implemented using Dynamic.xyz for easy onboarding. The platform will have three sections: Proposals, Drafts, and Ideas. Anonymous commenting will be deprioritized until a solution that the entire community supports is found. If implemented, it will still show user wallet annotations (e.g., Nouner) and have community moderation built in to discourage harmful behavior.

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gm @here -- I wanted to proactively share some answers to frequent questions we’ve been getting:--**Aren’t you VC-backed?**-Yes, we are. That’s why we’ve geared this prop to deliver an entirely open-source, openly owned codebase — so there is no centralized value capture, and anyone can host, build on top of, and monetize the end deliverables. We think this completely aligns incentives and will help a strong, open ecosystem.--**What does open sourcing mean here?**-This means everything from the repo to the APIs will be open access, so people with varying levels of technical acumen can clone and re-host and build on top of House of Nouns. We’ll also be doing continual data dumps to Arweave for any offchain data.--**Budget?**-While ETH is going up in price, we’ve decreased our prop’s total cost by ~$100k. We heavily increased deliverables and the speed at which we deliver them. We’re looking for 9ETH/month/developer, which is less than any other active developers for Nouns. We think that deliverables and actual matter the most, and think they are very justifiable for the cost of 190ETH in terms of the long-term impact they can have on the DAO’s success.--**Integrations?**-We’re looking to be as open and composable as possible, and help accelerate the adoption of the infrastructure built by others in the ecosystem. Our goal is to integrate the amazing work of others everywhere it makes sense, versus create clones and replicate any functionality. We’re working on this on a case-by-case basis, but wherever infrastructure is open, we want to help accelerate its adoption instead of competing with it.

The proposal aims to deliver an entirely open-source, openly owned codebase for House of Nouns. The budget has been decreased by ~$100k, and the team is looking for 9 ETH/month/developer. The goal is to be as open and composable as possible, integrating the work of others in the ecosystem. The platform has grown to 2k MAUs and continues to be a favorite place to view proposals for a large portion of the community. However, some community members believe the proposal is still expensive and suggest a lower budget of 50 ETH.

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`I fail to see the utility of adding the heyanoun anonymous commenting module, by utilizing the above mentioned wallet-gating method anyone would be able to create a burner wallet, if they choose, to handle pseudonymous commenting.`--Wouldn't you prefer to know that a commenter was a verified noun holder rather than a burner wallet?

Yes, it would be preferable to know that a commenter was a verified noun holder rather than a burner wallet. The consistency of the wallet address and identity is important for community building and forming stronger bonds. The solution to anonymity concerns is to reach out and form stronger connections, not to rely on anonymity.

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is the current iteration for 6 months or 5 months? (haven’t had the time to read the prop in detail)