Proposal 146 (Q1872)
From Nouns Dev
A Nouns proposal.
| Language | Label | Description | Also known as |
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| English | Proposal 146 |
A Nouns proposal. |
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28 September 2022
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Noundry Community Compensation
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> This doesnt have to mean that every year we neccesarily reward the community for contributions to any other noundry upgrades this way (if we set expectations/rewards ahead of time especially, it should be much cleaner next time), but this past year it was an all-in group effort where a lot of value was created by many of the artists who ultimately didnt make it into the final collection. If we’re retroactively rewarding the winners and committee (without rules ahead of time) it feels fair and honest to also share some of that with the a wider set of contributors to the process. The downside feels limited, and curious to see how these funds get shared around. Hopefully with very limited GIVES per coordinape participants, this is going to reward the top contributors as judged by the community. ⌐◨-◨
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We like the community rewards.
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noundry was a collaborative experience and this proposal serves as a gesture of gratitude and acknowledgment of the valuable role the community played in the process.
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⌐◨-◨ 🙏 Yes wins. (50 yes, 1 no, 7 abstain, 1 x) ~~ ThaSwami ~~ I think its great to reward everyone who submitted traits, but Coordinape voting might be overkill. Im of the view that anyone who took the time to contribute some art should get rewarded, irrespective of how many they submitted, quality of work or who they interacted with. Im in favour of a simple pro-rata of ETH amongst the number of artists. We could setup clearer guidelines for rewards next season ~~ JoelCares ~~ Personally think this would be fun, help build community across the broad group of participants, and give the community a voice in evaluating quality. The current structure (3 GIVE tokens) would not be rewarding general participation, it would be rewarding the runner up work valued most by the community.
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I support artists and participated in the Noundry submissions but do not think this prop is ready in its current state.
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Although Im very excited to fund builders on the expectation of (or based on the history of) great impact, Im generally more weary of funding effort as an end goal in itself.
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Noundry community compensation
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The Noundry Community Compensation proposal aims to retroactively compensate the Noundry community with a total of 25 ETH for their contributions to Season 0s success. The community transformed Noundry into a co llaborative experience, with artists worldwide working together. The proposal acknowledges the importance of this collaboration.
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28 September 2022
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I’m abstaining on this one. The prop team put in a lot of work to try and come up with a solution here but I’m on the fence as to whether we should set precedent on funding participation.
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<@357667384342872074> or anyone interested- could you make a 3D glasses blue and red inspired nounhead or trait? 🟦🟥
The lost traits, including the 3D glasses blue and red inspired nounhead or trait, can be found at https://lostnouns.wtf/traits.
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<@!557727542149120010> Thank you for sharing these insights. Good things for us to think about for designing new Noun heads.--Can you speak about some of the stylistic choices you kept in mind in regards to something being nounish?
Some stylistic choices kept in mind for designing Noun heads include:--1. Avoiding obvious weapons (e.g., guns, knives) but allowing cartoon violence (e.g., bomb).-2. Not including skin on the body, except for generic recognizable iconography (e.g., yellow thumbs up).-3. Not using people heads where it would seem like the noun is a person in a costume (e.g., clown).-4. Avoiding professions/hobbies as body accessories to prevent implying that nouns have jobs or are specifically sports fans, etc.--Additionally, the placement and style of the mouth on the Noun heads contribute to the nounish look.
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<@731246793765027992> <@813421644298321961> <@202986009216942080> is the Noundry marketplace with 100% going back to the Artist something Nouns would fund as an internal initiative?
A proper team compensation model needs to be figured out. Using a Nouns DAO fork will allow for 2 layers of funding the artists and team essentially, with sales on noundry auctions and also request for funds when submitting DAO to DAO proposals to include traits in the Nouns protocol. This can potentially handle much more frequent updates as well.
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<@813421644298321961> I’m looking at getting some artists to release their work under CC0 license and I’m wondering about the form used for noundry submissions. Is this something that was setup legally and paid for that is private? Or am I able to see the form and potentially use the form for a very similar purpose?-For reference, I’m encouraging artists of nounish skate deck art from a contest to release their work and in setting up a store to buy physicals and splitting revenue with the artists interested.-Thanks in advance for any info 🙏
The form used for noundry submissions seems to be private and specifically set up for the Nouns DAO. However, SerNoadz#3802 shared a link to a Contributor License Agreement (CLA) that was used when submissions were through GitHub: https://github.com/nounsDAO/noundry/blob/main/CLA.md. Benbodhi#1111 mentioned they could model off this if needed.
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am i high? where's the pixel cluster on the beer head?
The pixel cluster on the beer head is barely perceptible. You can find it by looking at the left and right areas of the beer color and zooming way in.
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and by submission you mean PR in the noundry repo?
Yes, by submission, it means a PR in the noundry repo.
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Any articles to read about this proj?
The recommended article can be found by following the link in the channel <#887048695818899546>, as suggested by Goldy#0420.
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appreciate you taking the time to get through it 🙏 as a final step, could you take a look at the license agreement and comment `I have read the CLA Document and I hereby sign the CLA` on the pull request if you agree https://github.com/nounsDAO/noundry/pull/11
I have read the CLA Document and I hereby sign the CLA.
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Are the lost traits published somewhere?
The lost traits can be found at https://lostnouns.wtf/traits.
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are there set rules / process for how art from the noundry makes its way into the on-chain trait set? v curious
Yes, there is a process for how art from the noundry makes its way into the on-chain trait set. Submissions are currently being gathered, and there will likely be some sort of poll or vote later this summer.
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are these regulation colours?
Some of the colors are regulation colors, while others have been tweaked a little by greta_gremplin#3195.
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but wouldn't the contract know? and its public
The question was about whether the contract would know and if it's public. H O N K D I D D L Y#2881 mentioned that it's very easy with state channels, publicly available signed messages, merkle proofs, bonds, and dispute periods.
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Can we still continue to use the channel as before only the designs wont be included for this year's addition?
Yes, the channel can still be used as before, but the designs won't be included for this year's addition. The community members seem to agree that the noundry can be a year-round experience, and they can create a new channel for year 1 curation.
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could i get a copy pasta of the unicode noggles?
You can find a whole Unicode noggle set with a copy function at Noundation: https://www.noundation.wtf/resources/noggles
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Did anyone already propose a swan noun?
Yes, a swan noun was proposed. Krel#0404 mentioned that they tried to make a swan conform to the profile picture limitations.
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Does anyone have examples of pixel noun sprites? something you would see in Gameboy Advanced or something
SerNoadz#3802: Similar to what you’re looking for. Tagged you in <#855538581434007635>-Coral Orca#4823: Timpers did some stuff along these lines with the nouns dancefloor-Coral Orca#4823: https://discord.com/channels/849745721544146955/855538581434007635/1001859610677874839-Coral Orca#4823: https://discord.com/channels/849745721544146955/855538581434007635/1001185152464064632--These messages provide examples of pixel noun sprites that are similar to what you would see in Gameboy Advanced.
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Floppy disk noun head anyone?
Floppy disk noun head anyone?--Yes, a floppy disk noun head was created and merged into the Nouns DAO repository.
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gm, punk6529 recently wrote a thread about creating a Nouns meme card https://twitter.com/punk6529/status/1567625161645477889. Would this be the proper channel to start a convo? I'm here to help coordinate the process between Nouns and 6529's team! <@813421644298321961>
Yes, the proper channel to start a conversation about creating a Nouns meme card with punk6529 is the noundry channel. Usergnome#0001 confirmed that the channel is fine to use for this purpose.
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has anyone had a chance to read our proposal?- -we can use non-transferable tokens to govern a collective noun.
Yes, some users have read the proposal and found it interesting. Wag#5265 mentioned that it's interesting to think about nouns as issued to represent subdaos and more naturally suited to fractionalization in some way, such as each partial 'gaggle' owner being issued a goose nounlet.
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Has anyone proposed adding an editor to the playground so people could create new traits/assets right from nouns.wtf? Maybe even have a slick way to submit a PR for the new asset to the noundry repo
Yes, solimander#7468 mentioned that they are playing around with the idea and have added the ability to load proposed traits from the noundry repo into the playground. You can check it out at https://deploy-preview-415--nouns-testnet.netlify.app/playground.
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have there been efforts towards supporting animated traits in general? could expand the design space of traits quite a bit without changing the character of nouns
There have been no efforts towards supporting animated traits in general for Nouns DAO. The consensus in the conversation is that animated traits would change the feel of Nouns, and it's better to keep them as static images. However, there are other projects that have animated Nouns for fun or as extensions.
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have we considered building a solution for folks to mint playground Nouns for themselves to use/own? --since anyone can use a noun they create for their pfp, it could be interesting to also allow them to own what they create - but they wouldn’t be official nouns, can’t vote or anything like that, and virtually unlimited supply
sidenoun#1868 is working on a solution for people to mint playground Nouns for themselves to use/own. They plan to potentially add more from the experimental playground and existing assets, and they are looking for others to get involved. Additionally, wag#5265 shared a link to Found Nouns, which might be of interest: https://etherscan.io/address/0x70b44ea398a33593af1cb348f3837b89a85d4f91#writeContract.
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Have we seen a Peacock Noun?
Yes, a Peacock Noun has been seen. Coral Orca#4823 mentioned that they have seen one.
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having too high a % of accessories in the collection being words? or (english) words general?
It seems that the concern in the question is about having too many accessories in the collection being words or English words in general. In the conversation, 4156#9052 mentions that they and gremplin have had discussions about their aesthetic regrets in the collection, including too many shirts with words on them and too many words in general. They also mention that some of the specific words feel less timeless. Usergnome#0001 agrees with this sentiment, comparing word nouns to 8 ball pogs.
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Hello everyone, I just knew the noundry project a couple of days ago, The deadline for this project is Jul 1st correct?
The deadline for the noundry project is July 1st.
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Hey Noundry- any artists interested in working to help a label design for a small grants project? Current Compensation for chosen design will be $300 USD with Small Grants potentially including more $. Appreciate yall.--https://discourse.nouns.wtf/t/call-for-art-submissions-noun-dust-label-creation/1860?u=rekola
Artists in the Noundry channel may be interested in helping design a label for a small grants project. The current compensation for the chosen design is $300 USD, with potential for more from small grants.
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Hi, do you plan to proceed with unification of noggles? I am going to print big logos of noggles on sails for <#994835325157376020>. I wonder whether I should use initial coloring or adapt unification as well? Thanks
Yes, the noggle unification on-chain vote is currently active. You can find more information at https://nouns.wtf/vote/114.
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How do new assets get added to the official noun assets?
New assets can potentially be added to the official noun assets on the Nouniversary (August 8th) through a voting process.
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how nicely would semi-transparent objects play with the descriptor?
Semi-transparent objects are not currently supported in the descriptor. Pixels must be fully opaque or fully transparent, as mentioned by solimander#7468.
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How often do Nouns open for submissions? Would love to do a few heads.
Submissions for Nouns seem to open yearly, but this information is not confirmed.
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How would you both feel about us using this hoodie trait in a fork we're launching in the next couple of weeks called NountainDAO? It's essentially an alpine perks and enhancements focussed fork where we'll hold IRL events on mountain. First partner resort is Rusutsu in Japan.-Would actually love your opinion on some of our traits too Gremp!
Komorebi88#0097 mentioned that they want to wait until NOUNS DAO officially accepts the hoodie trait as an official head. After that, it will be released under the CC0 license.
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https://deploy-preview-415--nouns-testnet.netlify.app/playground this?
It seems like the question was about whether the link provided (https://deploy-preview-415--nouns-testnet.netlify.app/playground) is the correct place to upload custom traits. The answer is given by solimander#7468, who mentions that custom traits can now be uploaded at https://nouns.wtf/playground.
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in this case you could just mint it yourself?
Yes, in this case, you could mint it yourself. There is an option for people who want to mint playground Nouns for themselves to use/own, as mentioned by viren#2814. Additionally, wag#5265 shared a link to found nouns on Etherscan, which could be an interesting thing for the DAO to fund.
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Is it like: creating new traits. Posting here for people to check. Submitting a pull request --?--Or there are other steps we are missing?
Yes, the process for creating new traits involves posting them in the Noundry channel for people to check and then submitting a pull request. Additionally, SerNoadz#3802 provided a link with more things to keep in mind: https://discord.com/channels/849745721544146955/931247256470953994/981044157172813824
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Is Noundry supposed to be different Noun-art working towards some end goal at the end of the day?
Noundry is a collaborative space within the Nouns DAO community where members create and share different Noun-art and ideas. The end goal is to contribute to the Noun project by adding new heads and accessories. On the 1-year anniversary, they plan to add 8 heads and 8 accessories/noggles.
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is there a writeup of how the image pipeline gets upgraded? is it as simple as using the `addManyParts` functions via gov proposal in the NounsDescripter.sol contract?
Yes, upgrading the image pipeline can be done using the `addManyParts` function via a governance proposal in the NounsDescripter.sol contract. Adding parts does not mess up the art for existing nouns, as the body count is not fixed, and seeds yield different IDs.
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is this a call out for submissions for artwork or something? 👀
Yes, there is a call for submissions for artwork. The design should be incorporated into a clothing item for the Nouniversary, with the following specifications:--- Limited to 3 tones/colors-- Preferably transparent (no borders)-- NOUNISH--The deadline is 1 week from the time the conversation took place.
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I wonder if someone can answer my question regarding nouns noundry contract. --Adding traits can be done with a single transaction right? Is it possible to introduce traits available for a certain period to be minted? or does noundry contract must include all traits for all minted nouns, because it dynamically redraws them?
Yes, adding traits can be done with a single transaction. However, to introduce traits available for a certain period to be minted, you would have to change the code a bit. The Seeder contract randomly pulls the traits for new Nouns, so it would have to know about retired traits. This is where either the Noundry Nouns or Composables or some other extensions (e.g. FoodNouns) will probably be best suited.
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love this trait! would you be interested in uploading it to https://github.com/nounsDAO/noundry so it can be considered for inclusion into the protocol?
Yes, you should follow the Contributing Traits section in the README to upload your trait to the Noundry GitHub repository. If you encounter any issues, feel free to ask for help in the Discord server.
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My head is spinning (lol) with questions and ideas. Are we supposed to offer art we make or just suggest different ideas for heads?
Suggestions are helpful for creating Noun heads. When the original Noun heads were made, there was a lot of spitballing ideas, and then the artists would pick up on the ones they felt inspired by. You can offer art you make or just suggest different ideas for heads.
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Oh? curious why not. could see a few tastefully animated traits being pretty cool?
Animated traits might take away from the clean nature of Nouns and the elegance of the entire protocol. However, creating them for fun and incorporating them into extensions could be valuable.
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on another note: how do you make a sharp pixel art profile picture on twitter? My photoshop settings give a blotchy result...
To make a sharp pixel art profile picture on Twitter, make sure your scale interpolation in Photoshop is set to nearest neighbour. You can also export the Nouns SVG and then convert it to PNG using an actual pixel app or an online converter like Pixilart.
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other questions coming to mind: --1) is the “Drop another part” button meant to let users import additional traits and then upload them in batches?-2) what happens if the # of off-palette colors is really big?
1) No, the Drop another part button is not meant to let users import additional traits and upload them in batches. It is meant to pick another file and replace the current one (in case the user picks the wrong file).--2) If the number of off-palette colors is really big, it probably looks pretty bad because that was not handled yet, but a scrollbar will be added later.
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quick question: are the hip-rose noggles supposed to be different? they are thicker on the side!
The hip-rose noggles are intentionally different and thicker on one side. They were designed by eBoy.
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Shall we set a deadline of July 1st for trait submissions? If we want the new traits in on the nouniversary, we need the proposal up ~August 1st. 1 month for curation and refinement of submissions feels about right.
Yes, a deadline of July 1st for trait submissions was proposed. The plan is to have a month for curation and refinement of submissions before the proposal goes up around August 1st.
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so exciting. what do you think of idea of adding a 6th layer so ppl can experiment with badges? & why no backgrounds?
Adding a 6th layer for badges is not currently planned for the repository, but it could be a cool feature addition to the local trait upload functionality. As for backgrounds, they are limited to one color/background right now, and it's uncertain whether they should be added.
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So I was going to put out a Medium post about commissioning 2 new monkey Noun-heads, and <@954180506772181062> let me know that there's a channel of people who just make awesome Noun Heads! That makes it easier.--I want 1 Noun Head that fits the Noun Head spec and whose vibe is chaos monkey of Netflix fame--> Chaos Monkey Head. How do you express chaos or being an agent of chaos or being a fiendish Netflix load testing program Nounishly?--https://netflix.github.io/chaosmonkey/--And I want a Noun Head that fits the Noun Head spec and whose vibe is monkey covering his eyes with his hands, an elevated see no evil emoji. --> Cheeky See No Evil Monkey Head. How do you express don't look cheekily and Nounishly?--These are rough vibelines, not hard and fast rules, so any creators go wherever your imagination takes you. --I will pay 0.6942 out of my own pocket for the winning selection for each, as judged by me with <@954180506772181062> 's input. Deadline is May 5th, my favorite day of the year. And to the extent that in the future we add new Noun Heads to NounsDAO and there is compensation for it (quite possible in the next 6 months!), the creators of all these monkey Noun Heads would retain the right to that potential compensation from NounsDAO --> it's theirs to try and earn. Anything created has to be CC0 obviously. 3 entries per Noun Head per applicant.--Is there someone who can explain or point to the spec for a head in a way I can share with people? Would be helpful. Thanks
Is there someone who can explain or point to the spec for a head in a way I can share with people? Would be helpful. Thanks--Here is a template provided by fiveoceans_dev#5450 that might be useful to the participants: Here is a template. I hope it will be useful to the participants. Additionally, Noun 12#8966 shared the 500 by 500 px asset for the Ape Head, which could be helpful as well.
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sup folks--Noundry studio was funded 🎉 -https://twitter.com/nounsprophouse/status/1561391057698541568?s=20&t=Pj2Ft8GJzrmPBw4P82wgtQ--Is it ok if I share dev updates over here?
Is it ok if I share dev updates over here?--Answer: No direct answer was given to the question about sharing dev updates in the conversation provided.
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Thanks for the feedback B. What are your favorite Noun heads?
Some favorite Noun heads mentioned by thebeautyandthepunk#8285 include a watch, cup, cotton, black hole, and DNA.
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Thanks for the reminder — bit more like this?--I'm going to have an accessory and Noggle session for sure! What is the cut off deadline?
The cut off deadline is July 1st.
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The branch feels nounish imo.--Like bottom left but think it might have pfp round corner issues? If not 🔥🔥🔥
The branch in the design is considered to be flirting with the edge of the constraints, and there is a concern about it being too complex. However, the bottom left design without the branch is also nice, but the lighter colors may not read well as thumbnails.
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the only other one I knew of was <@455969241569558528> - but that noun has moved on - do you know if there are more?
There are currently 2 more female Nouncillors besides profwerder#8300, and they hope to add more every month.
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these are really great! are you interested in submitting them to the noundry? https://github.com/nounsDAO/noundry--i can help create the pull request if that makes things easier 🙂
Ao Umino was interested in submitting their creations to the noundry and solimander helped create the pull request. The pancake head and panda accessory were successfully submitted and can be viewed at https://deploy-preview-415--nouns-testnet.netlify.app/playground.
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these are so cool! where do i go to build a noun?
Usergnome#0001: nouns.wtf/playground --Usergnome#0001: 'choose file' btn where my little hand cursor is there - she'll select what type of trait it is. then hit generate.
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Totally!! What is the process for being involved as well with all the cool artist of the noundry?
The process for being involved with the cool artists of the noundry is to adhere to the noun structure and participate in the channel. There is no specific process required, except for following the guidelines mentioned in the pinned messages. The deadline for submitting traits is 7/1.
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Tried to add traits via Github but the Pull Requests failed because I can't work out how to sign the CLA. Any pointers please?
You can ignore the failing check for now. To sign the CLA, you can look at the closed pull requests to see how it works. Just add a comment with the required message, then another with recheck. It might take a few minutes to trigger. However, you don't necessarily need to do this to submit your traits, as the curation team will use the channel to create a shortlist and get releases signed by artists and native assets sorted at the final stages.
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what are some other feminine items?
Some other feminine items mentioned in the conversation include purse, rosebud, queen crown, and ring. However, the discussion also suggests avoiding explicitly gendering traits and focusing on inclusivity.
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What does this noun say to his child when he leaves for school in the morning?
The noun says to his child when he leaves for school in the morning: bye son.
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What do y'all think of this? Hot or not auction mechanics. 2 Noundry Nouns every auction, you can place your bid on either one, but nobody knows which Noun you bid on, and the winning noun is revealed at the end of the auction.--I know <@557727542149120010> had talked about this before. I think the blind bidding will make it fun too. It's a mystery of what the next Noun will be until the auction is over.
The question was about the idea of hot or not auction mechanics with 2 Noundry Nouns and blind bidding. Coral Orca#4823 suggested a similar idea, making it public and having both bids run parallel, picking the highest bid in the end. Brennen.eth#7360 also called it a clever system. So, the idea was generally well-received and considered interesting by the community members.
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What’s the concern around the crowns? Just in relation to monarchies?
The concern around the crowns is that they are the only instance where gender is explicitly referenced. It's not implying the noun itself is one gender or another, but it may have been a discussion point at some time.
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What would happen if a Noun head was added that we find out later was a stolen design?
If a Noun head was added that was later found to be a stolen design, the best case scenario would be to find the copyright holder and negotiate a healthy payment for them to release the art under a CC0 license. The worst case scenario could involve the copyright holder suing the foundation or even the Noun owner, potentially trying to get some treasury funds. It's important to be extra careful about due diligence on added art and ensure that a CC0 release is included in the submission process.
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When do submissions end?
Submissions end when the last timezone in the world reaches the deadline, which is Baker Island.
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Where can I find the color palette for Nouns?
You can find the color palette for Nouns at https://nouns.center/assets.
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Where can i submit my designs
You can submit your designs right here in the noundry channel or on Twitter or both.
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where do we submit new noun head proposals? just here on discord or os there an official place?
You can submit new noun head proposals in the Discord channel itself, as suggested by Goldy#0420. Additionally, modrovsky#6488 provided a link to a specific message within the Discord server: https://discord.com/channels/849745721544146955/931247256470953994/991449651477753967.
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Which program / page you all use to make those good looking nouns?
Some people use Figma, zoomed in all the way to 1x1 pixels, to create Nouns. Others use Photoshop or Aseprite.
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Why not transparency? Because it just didn’t feel right (nounish)? Or lack of control/intention of look? Or something else?
Usergnome#0001: palette reason + the look just felt cheaper. There were a few heads and multiple glasses that had transparent elements and they were lacking like a sturdiness. -old bubblegum with partyboy shades for example: It gets more flat than i think we like things to be, and this bubblegum and these shades weren't even real transparency, it was baked in.--When it's 'real' transparent it gets even more flat, the colors created by layering become out of our control, things we would never choose to specifically do, and yeah, to boil it down - -tl;dr, lack of intention.--The reason for not using transparency is due to the lack of intention and control over the look. Real transparency makes the design appear more flat, and the colors created by layering become out of control, resulting in combinations that the creators would not specifically choose.
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Would you also consider differentiating the two « watermelon » and « guava » glasses colors? They are the same color #e8705b right now. Or maybe that's a just a little hidden code to see who has deep knowledge regarding traits, IYKYK
Usergnome#0001: that is planned-Usergnome#0001: we're going to be proposing this suite of fixes shortly, which includes the guava-watermelon issue, and also the crt-foggrey shirt problem--Usergnome#0001 confirmed that they are planning to propose a suite of fixes, which includes differentiating the watermelon and guava glasses colors.
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X is the only letter needed to complete the alphabet with Head Traits?
Yes, X is the only letter needed to complete the alphabet with Head Traits.
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